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Discussion Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by YoureNotJonesy, Nov 2, 2012.

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  1. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    Was it? Jacen turned into a weird inhuman messiah thingy and Jaina always remained bland tough pilot person. Captain Cardboard is uninteresting either and Tenel Ka got shoved to the sidelines. Tahiri and Kyp Durron are about the only interesting characters from the "next generation". Anakin, who did have potential as guile hero, got killed off.
     
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  2. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    I'd actually go farther: the single biggest failure of the NJO was its lack of success at properly developing a "next generation", because Force Smuggler is also right to a point: if ever there was a time for one to take over the books, that was it.
     
  3. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Browsing around Wookieepedia and... well, apparently Jacen is a midget.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. MillionthVoice

    MillionthVoice Jedi Knight star 3

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    Kind of self-defeating to kill the next generation off then, merely to play on the older generation for effect. You can't both have your cake and eat it.
     
  5. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I dunno, I simply think that in the end there were far too many books. I enjoyed most of them, reading them as a kid but just glancing at that shelf there are way too many. It watered down the material.
    Exploring other avenues of that universe would've been more fun than watching the same folks over and over again.
     
  6. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    An intellectual midget.
     
  7. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Amen to that. Anakin Solo died literally within books of becoming a really interesting character.

    And what on earth is going on with that picture?!
     
  8. HWK-290

    HWK-290 Jedi Padawan star 2

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    In short? Caedus has very little leg beneath the knees.

    Some artists are the best.
     
  9. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    He could be half-kneeling to get his maximum Force Lightning on!
     
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  10. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    I get it. :p
     
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  11. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    Poor Jacen grows when he becomes Super Sayian.
     
  12. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The Denningification of everyone doesn't count. Besides Luke Han and Leia are still running around doing everything. They dropped the ball on the characters. They haven't given them interesting story arcs since NJO. Forced Jag and Jaina apart in favor of Jaina and Zekk for a good bit and then the love triangle. Tahiri was completely ruined and made a mockery of her NJO self. We haven't seen Kyp do anything interesting since NJO. Everyone in NJO was interesting and could have held future storylines together. The post NJO next generation? Of course not. They're double the ages Luke and Leia were when their adventure began and still running second fiddle to the Big 3.
     
  13. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    I don't think everyone in NJO was interesting. Maybe 20% of the characters, but they even managed to mis-characterize Luke Skywalker.
     
  14. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I'd say the perfect jump-off point was actually the conclusion of the JAT.
     
  15. Jedi Comedian

    Jedi Comedian Jedi Knight star 2

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    Really? At the end of Champions of the Force, Luke, Leia and Han are all still in their prime, and while there's a new class of a Jedi, they're hardly in a position to take over saving the galaxy on their own.

    It's not even really a new generation - a lot of the new characters are older than the Big Three. Kyp is the only one who could genuinely be considered a new generation.
     
  16. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    The problem is that the authors seemingly didn't give two ***** about the new characters (except for the occasional pet character) and therefore they are boringsauce without proper inner conflicts.
     
  17. Normal_Nerds

    Normal_Nerds Jedi Padawan star 1

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    The problem was jumping around in time to avoid actually dealing with fall out.
    There's about ten years inbetween NJO and LotF with only the DN trilogy in that timeframe. Why? So Ben can grow up a bit?
    Think of all the adventures and character development that could have occurred involving the Jaina/Jacen generation in that time. Such a missed opportunity.
     
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  18. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The time jump was a problem as well.
     
  19. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    I actually liked the time jump. After decades of non-stop crises, the GFFA really deserved a bit of a break.
     
  20. Don't grab the glowy end

    Don't grab the glowy end Jedi Padawan

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    Agreed, but I think it might have worked better if it was accompanied by just another year or two or three of out-of-universe time jump as well. Unlike most, I actually liked the concept of Legacy of the Force, but they should have gotten rid of Dark Nest and done a bunch of smaller scale, not-GFFA-threatening stories, with the new generation, and for a little bit of a longer time period. Maybe something about Jaina and Rogue Squadron, Tahiri getting over her ordeals in the Vong war, Jacen's travels, or the redemption of the Vong on Sekot. Lots of possibilities before diving into the next epic NJO type of plotline that weren't properly taken advantage of, and would have added more weight to the eventual LotF books.
     
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  21. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Jedi Master star 4

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    i'm going to assume that the GFFA name will be Retcon back to the New Republic in this new trilogy because truthfully the Federation has been done to death.
     
  22. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Jedi Master star 4

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    how is 5'10 a midget?
     
  23. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Those proportions are anything but correct. The artist is not very skilled.
    Also, it was a joke.
     
  24. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Fearless Vampire Killer star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    A better question would be: How is the character in the background of that pic possibly 5'10? The proportions are the joke.
     
  25. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    His left hand seems to be based on Warhammer 40k proportions/sense of anatomy.

    [​IMG]
     
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