Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII - Spoilers Allowed' started by YoureNotJonesy, Nov 2, 2012.
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Did anyone hear the news that Star Wars will be taking a piece out of marvels blue print. Meaning that the stand alone movies will match up with the the actual main episodes. So for example iron man and thor, as stand alone movies, then avengers the main movie. Whats your thoughts on it?
For me happy and not, awesome to see we are getting more Star Wars films but at the same time i was hoping these stand alone movies to have nothing to do with the actually Episodes
I'm actually all for this, since SW should be one established continuity.
If true, I'm quite happy about that.
Disney can be positive, it seems.
to have continuity with the other films, isn't luke supposed to die in episode 7 to reflect movies 1 and 4?
No. Episode 9 to mirror Episode 6 and Yoda.
No. Episode 8 to mirror his Tauntaun.
Episode 8 or 9 works for me.
what if episode seven launches a new six part story, while wrapping up things from the old story?
I would have said Episode IX to mirror Episode VI and Anakin, that being more of a direct lineage thing. It depends on his role though. If there's a strong Father/Child relationship then that's what I'd go with, but if he's more of a mentor then I'd say Episode VII.
Possible, but it doesn't jibe with what Lucas has said about this being the final trilogy of the saga.
I wouldn't have anything mirror anything.
First get characters, plot and setting right. Then you can worry about the superficial stuff.
Or Anakin but since Luke should be the Grand Master of the Order I had to go with Yoda. Luke could die in any of the 3 movies but I'm hoping 8 or 9. 7 would be a cop out or waste of his potential imo. Though 7 is very possible since we already have Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan dying in the opening movie of the trilogies
"MIrroring" gets real tired real fast. It's a nicer way of saying you're just rehashing the same basic narrative points for 9 or 12 movies straight.
No need for that.
And if Luke dies in 7 he will most definitely be back as a ghost in the other two. It means his role won't be huge, but they're supposed to be passing the torch anyway. This is actually what I was hoping for initially, but I've since come to hope more for him to be involved in some personal familial drama with the next generation throughout this trilogy as he was with his father in the last one.
And I like mirroring. Further, it's an essential part of Star Wars for me (and George Lucas). The trick is not to undercut the drama through repetition but enhance it by taking sharp unexpected turns when something has been set up to go another way by the previous stories. This is what happens with first two trilogies and I would expect something similar with this one.
Luke will die in Episode VII, come back as a zombie only to die again in VIII, and then finally come back in IX as a Force Ghost only to be sucked into Han's proton pack. Therefore, Luke Skywalker will be the first non-horror film character to die in multiple movies.
Mirroring works in cases such as Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, Palpatine watching Dooku and Anakin fight and Vader and Luke fight for example and I expect to see more moments of mirroring but a 3rd master dying in the first movie? Sorry but no. The Evil Overlord can watch the apprentice fight the good guys. That one I love.
So if the standalone movies are supposedly a Yoda origin movie, a Han Solo origin movie and a Boba Fett movie, what does that all mean then?
Mirroring, or what what I call rhyming action, is usually shallow when it's rhyming for the sake of rhyming.
So what Pevra said: character and plot first, then little resonances can be made when especially appropriate.
The way Lucas set these movies up, it's pretty inherent in the structure though.
I would assume that, the first batch of Standalones would be, essentially, "flashback/origin" movies, but by the time Ep. 8 rolls around we'd start to see spin-offs coming from the ST era. Out of the gate I would assume the spinoffs would be all OT, all the time.
Yeah, looking at the 2 trilogies we already have, it seems like they stand on a very specific and consistent set of rules, which involve the same places over and over..For example, Anakin represents Luke. Anakin is waiting around in the Tatooine desert for something to happen just like Luke was in ANH...Padme mirrors Leia by arriving to Tattoine to hide from the "bad guys" who are pursuing her.
Point is, From a mythological standpoint, having a repeat of character type is necessary to show the patterns that evolve to a specific destiny - of triumph or tragedy. You can bet that critics will immediately say - why is Lucas remaking the Trilogy using different characters against the same types?? I think it's already pretty obvious why it has to be this way. Really Lucas is just laying down the basic foundation for a history that will unfold and nearly repeat itself in Epy. 7 thru 9. So in a sense, the Trilogy is the "repeat." Diehard fans understand this
I think Luke surviving Ep. 7 could be a twist on the "Mentor Figure Bites It In the First Trilogy Movie" thematic thing. Sometimes in the PT and the OT, characters are faced with similar situations but at the moment one character goes one way, another goes a different way. Also, if they twist the Mentor Dying bit around, that means more Luke in the ST!
I have not heard this before now. Source?
I'm actually OK with that. I'd prefer that to orgin stories to be honest. Two reasons: asmall part of me still hopes that at least some of the EU will remain intact, and more importantly - I don't really want to see movies about "young han solo" or "princess Leia in Boarding School" or what have you.
I'd love to see a spin-off about (for example) Rogue Squadron between Ep VII and VIII, or Kyle Katarn vs. the Space Pirates, or whatever.
Actually sounds WAY better to me.
Actually I think
@newdawn12 is more likely right in this case. There's no way Disney is going to pay 4B$ just to do 3 numbered episodes followed by spinoffs. Unless they bomb, we're going to see numbered episodes up to at LEAST XII if not XV or more plus spinoffs. Regardless of what Lucas originally had in mind.
Well the fact is that Lucas spent a year writing the outlines for three movies as the final parts of a single story in his long planned trilogy of trilogies. I really don't think he would have sold the rights without being able to protect the integrity of that particular story. I think he would have been smart enough to simultaneously develop a long term plan for telling other stories in his universe which he doesn't have to be directly involved in the creation of, and if you listen to his interviews from the time of the Disney acquisition announcement that's exactly what it sounds like he's done.