Discussion Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by YoureNotJonesy, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Ryus Force Ghost

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    You want force tentacles on a force goddess who is obsessed with pretending to be all of Luke Skywalkers old girlfriends even though he's 60+? Really?o_O Not to mention her blowing up a whole planet just since she got mad but can't seem to ever defeat Luke in a duel... talk about plot induced stupidity 8-}

    I can see valid argument for Alter of Mortis (though I disagree :oops:, since it really invalidates the whole prophecy from the prequals... since now Anakin never was the choosen one since he abandoned his destiny of controlling Brother and Sister for the next 30k years) and Sith planet (yeah Vestara Khai [face_dancing][face_love] )

    Sorry, but into using the Empire and Sith works just as well for tieing in PT, CW, OT, ST, and EU... in fact it works much much better and is far more easy to swallow for casual fans who never saw the 3 episodes of the CW that featured Mortis and the EU book series 'Fate of the Jedi'. For the record though Mortis does nothing to tie in the PT or OT, only the CW EU and ST (if they use it at all).
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  2. ScorpionJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    I agree Thrawn is awesome and should be kept, if the change to the EU means bringing him back from the dead just like Maul in CW or introducing him later just to make him the new villain would be great. Apart from Thrawn I like the Vong to stay in some capacity as I feel that's the big antagonist that really and truly defines that era much like The Empire in the Rebellion and early New Republic era or The Sith Empire and The Mandalorians in the Old Republic era.

    Aside from that, keeping the real identities of the supporting post-ROTJ EU characters like the Solo/Skywalker children and Mara Jade etc is all I want to stay and I'm pretty sure even people who casually glance at the EU would not forget the names of the REAL extended members of the family.
  3. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I'm not gonna play the very dull "I'm a bigger Star Wars fan than you" game but, short version, yes, one can be a diehard fan of all the branches of Star Wars and be totally fine if they reboot/retcon/steamroll the EU to make it work better with the ST. I have no problem with that. Canon is not a major factor in me being a Star Wars fan, but having it take place in the Star Wars world is. Just because something like Tag and Bink are Dead is not officially "canon" doesn't make me any less of a fan or think it's any less awesome. (Besides, I personally accept that as Canon anyway. Manny Both Hanz FTW!)
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  4. LottDodd Force Ghost

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    Manny Both Hanz died.... You shouldn't minimalise his noble sacrifice.
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  5. EHT New Films Manager

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    This describes me too, except in my case it was six or seven EU novels, and some online or "back of the cover" plot summaries for others.
    My understanding (with the limited info we've gotten so far) was that the six movies, TCW, and Rebels were all definitely canon. And then everything else going forward will also be canon and will all be on the same level of canon. The question mostly seems to be surrounding EU novels, comics, games, etc. that were created before the Disney purchase, and whether any of those will be canon. It sounded like parts of those that got "pulled in" by the canon sources (like characters or places) would be made canon by that process. But again, all of this needs to be confirmed to be sure.
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  6. T-R- Chosen One

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    yeah, it's best if Mortis and anything connected to it are left out of the movies.
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  7. The Kulvax Sisters Jedi Master

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    This statement is so true, I find almost the entirety of Post-ROTJ EU to be outright trash, the ideas when you hear them almost sound like a bunch of fanboys sat around a table discussing what would be 'cool' to see after Jedi ends, not all of it is bad, but most of that era is filled with contradictions and author wars.

    I find myself much preferring what goes on before the movies, stuff like the Darth Bane trilogy leading up to the Darth Plagueis novel, one of the single best additions to the EU that I've read, then going further back you have the classic Tales of the Jedi comics and the legendary Knights of the Old Republic series, there is a whole hell of a lot of quality reads that take place in the Old Republic era right up to the Rise of the Empire era that dwarfs the Post-ROTJ EU by magnitudes.

    It took me a long time to get into the EU, I tried reading the NJO series, got bored, tried to read the X-wing series got bored even quicker and the Jedi Knight games couldn't even pull me in, then I started reading the Solo twins stuff and dear lord was that bad, from characters seemingly changing for no discernible reason to outright character assassinations on a whim, but then I got a copy of Knights of the Old Republic with my Xbox Crystal back in '05 and have been a major fan of the Old Republic era ever since.

    I am not overly concerned about the Post-ROTJ material, frankly the only concern I have is the ending of Exar Kun's story, but beyond that I would happily see a great sequel trilogy not bound by the era's tenants.

    I do however hope that the Pre-TPM material is left alone, especially stuff like Darth Plagueis.
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  8. black_saber Force Ghost

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    Most likely it will be left alone since George lucas was involved with it.
  9. T-R- Chosen One

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    Not a fan on when Plagueis is killed. Should've been a lot earlier in the timeline.
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  10. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    I can accept it being 32 BBY but it should have been 42-41 BBY
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  11. T-R- Chosen One

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    yeah, right after the deed would've worked perfectly for me
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  12. newdawn12 Force Ghost

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  13. phatdude1138 Force Ghost

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    Our very own TFN reports that there may even be "Movie Canon" being replaced!!

    To counter-act the prequels, the Boba Fett spin-off movie planned for 2018 has an interesting twist pitched by Episode VII writer Lawrence Kasdan: the spin-off will start with a complete stranger killing Boba Fett and taking his armor, starting a Man-With-No-Name bounty hunter tale. So: someone kills the Boba Fett from the prequels and takes his armor and name. One thing is for certain is that Kasdan didn’t like the prequel and wants no Bobba Fett Clone in the spin-off film.

    For PT haters this is great news, but for fans of the clones and Temuera Morrison. But worse, this sets a precedent that not even movie canon is safe..

    Source
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  14. Maul95 Jedi Master

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    What a lame idea, I hope it's not true. I understand not liking the idea of Boba Fett as a clone but come on, AOTC turns 12 this year, get over it already!
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  15. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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  16. Krueger Force Ghost

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    Yeah, just let it go. Honestly, do not pander to all the IMDB and Facebook comments section "plastic SW fans" calling for the eradication of the PT.
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  17. phatdude1138 Force Ghost

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    But this isn't just PT haters, this "supposedly" Lawrence Kasdan. Hopefully this "new group/committee" formed to decide what's canon has the final say over what writers and directors do. It's good that most of you are on board with keeping Fett a clone. If Lawrence Kasdan had his way, the "Fett" movie would overwrite AOTC and TCW. Well not technically (if it's a copy cat that steals his armor), but it totally undermines the legacy of Boba and his dad Jango.
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  18. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    It's a terrible idea but I take everything Latino Review says with a huge grain of salt. I would think Kathleen Kennedy would have more respect for George Lucas then to allow someone to retcon his films and characters. We'll have to wait and see but if they have that little regard for GL's universe then I'm going to have to think long and hard if I'll be spending my money to see that film as big of an overreaction as that may seem.
  19. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    KK's power is not as great as you'd think.
  20. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    Well, I don't know if that's true or not because I'm not privy to the inner working obviously. However, she is the head of LFL and while she ultimately answers to Disney it does appear to me at least that Lucasfilm retains the same amount of autonomy as Marvel does under Disney. So I'd say she has a say in these discussions and I'd be quite disappointed if she allowed this retcon to go any further than the idea phase.
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  21. phatdude1138 Force Ghost

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    Yeah, KK may or may not have any power, BUT from another TFN report, it looks like her and J.J. beat uncle George down a bit:

    George Lucas participated in the debate over the script changes but "acquiesced" (accept something reluctantly but without protest) to Abrams and Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy.

    Dunno if Uncle George has as much influence as we originally thought.
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  22. black_saber Force Ghost

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    That may be a good thing for fans because that would be a postive step to make the Sequel trilogy go back the glory old days of star wars. I like the prequels only because I read the books in the era which gave a better outcome look of the movies.
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  23. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    It's insignificant to the power of the dark side of the moneys.
  24. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    Well she hired Arndt but later Arndt, who was "her idea", got kicked out of the project.
  25. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    I don't think it went down that way though. Abrams had to pitch his idea to Kennedy, Lucas and probably the Disney brass and from what we have heard Kennedy agreed with Abrams take and Lucas eventually took their side or at least didn't protest so Arndt was let go.