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Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII - Spoilers Allowed' started by YoureNotJonesy, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Krueger Force Ghost

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    I disagree, partly. To this day I still don't think Maul should ever have been bought back. So I agree that his return was wrong and should never have happened. However, I will say that his return gave us, IMO, some of the best arcs and, on the whole, was handled rather well. So, in short, it was a well executed bad idea. IMO, of course.
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  2. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    When I say it's executed poorly I'm referring to the means of his survival. I agree with that in almost all other respects it was a very well written and enjoyable arc. I just wish they had used a different character.
  3. Dra--- Chosen One

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    I appreciate the friendly disagreement. And I do agree that the Maul resurrection was extreme, even in SW. I just happen to like it.

    :)
  4. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    I admit that I still have mixed feelings about Maul's return in TCW. There's a part of me that doesn't like it just on principle, since they went to such great lengths to indicate that he was definitively dead in TPM (having him split apart while falling was a last-minute addition to drive the point home). However it was handled pretty well in the show so ultimately I really don't have a problem with it. Plus despite the even ground of continuity, somehow I'll accept things in an animated TV show that would be harder to swallow in a live-action movie.
  5. Dra--- Chosen One

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    Wait -- why would anyone want to return like Maul did? It's disgusting and pathetic. Vader too.

    I don't admire any of these Sith Lords and their unnatural and techie ways of returning. That's why I like the Maul return -- his body is grotesque.
  6. Immortiss Force Ghost

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    Great conversation. I would just add one thing. I, too, was disappointed with Maul's return, but enjoyed the arcs. I know TCW is canon, but I like to think of it as supporting canon, in that it helps to fill out the real story in the live-action films. TCW was/is very interesting in many respects, but when it comes to the saga, it's filler. The story was never about the Clone Wars as a sequence of events, it was merely the backdrop to Anakin's fall from grace and Palaptine's orchestrations. In the scheme of things TCW supports and fills out that narrative. That's all. It's an appropriate place for Maul's return, but that's where it should be left and I think that's what's been done or will be done. If Maul turns up sometime later in a live-action saga film, I'll be extremely disappointed, but I doubt it will ever happen.
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  7. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I'm placing bets on Maul in Rebels. Maybe if they ever delve into the late PT/OT era for spin-off films he might be still around to use. But I highly doubt we'll see Darth Maul drop-kicking and double-bladded lightsabering his way through the ST. I would also think that if they brought him back and go so much cool stuff outta him in TCW just leaving him there to never be touched again would be a waste of a character who actually got *more* interesting on the show.
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  8. Dra--- Chosen One

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    I hope they don't bring Maul into Rebels. We already have the Inquisitor's doublebladed lightsaber thing. Seems redundant.

    I am interested to know what happened to Maul in TCW though.
  9. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    I'd be ok with it if they brought him back for a single arc in order to wrap up his story. I'd prefer seeing that onscreen to the comic book format. I'm a believer that something introduced in one medium should be wrapped up in the same medium, even if that means a different show as in this case.
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  10. Immortiss Force Ghost

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    My hope is that he's done in for good in TCW: Lost Missions.
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  11. Ryus Force Ghost

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    Maul's TCW will be wrapped up in a Dark Horse comic

    It flat out seems a continuation of their last fight, this time its 'to the death'... only real big question is is this part of Darth Sidious's plans to kill Mother Talzin?
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  12. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    Yeah I have to say that TCW's cancellation created a pretty unfortunate situation where stuff like this is concerned. I wish they had just let them wrap up the storylines that they had written and bring the show to a satisfying conclusion. I can't help but think it will always feel a bit like unfinished business in the SW chronology.

    I guess we're lucky they got to finish as much as they did though.
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  13. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I get the feeling Maul's story won't end in the "Dathimor" comic. They were writing scripts at the time that wasn't ending the show, it was continuing it. I'm sure the whole "Maul's story ends in the comc!" is just to move paper.

    I would totally get a kick out of it they took all of those unproduced TCW scripts and turned them into comics because then we can see where they were intending to go. Because they sure as heck ain't gonna be animated.
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  14. Pro Scoundrel Force Ghost

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    If they continue Maul's story past the comic then it would have to be at Marvel, since Darkhorse is losing the license. I doubt his story will go back to animation, or they probably wouldn't have bothered with the comic.
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  15. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    Me. Pain? Cyborg implants? I care not as long as I live.
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  16. TheBBP Force Ghost

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    Not only that, but he was absolutely mentally broken over it. That adds to it for me.
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  17. Dra--- Chosen One

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    You are a true Sith then. Willing to lose your humanity (or whatever species the Sith once was) in trade for life. It's a very human weakness, but it's also what I find so monstrous about us. Our will to power is terrifying. I think it's why we all find the Sith so relatable.

    However, when death comes for me, I'll happily accept nap time. Like a good Jedi.
  18. InterestingLurker Force Ghost

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    Completely disagree. The degree of Maul's hatred for Obi-Wan seemed to be a lot stronger than most Sith. I find that poetic that a person defies the impossible through his sheer hatred. And in many ways, Star Wars is partly about people defying the impossible.
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  19. TheBBP Force Ghost

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    Not only that, but he was driven by anger and even grief over the thought of what his place in the galaxy SHOULD have been.
  20. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    yeah, I agree. A big theme of the series is "will triumphs over reality" considering the apex of the series theme is when Luke listens to a ghost to feel his way through to win the day. Maul surviving is a twisted, dark version of the "done the impossible through will" that we see again and again in Star Wars. Honestly, just the line of Maul saying that his hatred kept him alive is good enough for me. I mean, I doubt it happens *often* but I'll give it a pass for this one, especially since it paid off well.
  21. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    I don't think it makes you Sith or Sith-like. I just hate my body. It breaks all the time and is made of inferior material. Every year or so I have another serious medical issue that hampers my life quality. Just keeping my life quality as it is is a constant battle all the time.

    I'm sure I'm not alone.

    If you are healthy and well, then you can't imagine living with prosthesises or other helpers. It's a sad fact but men have an instinct to shy away from disease, subconsciously think of those with diseases as inferior.
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  22. Dra--- Chosen One

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    Hey, I understand where you're coming from, and I respect that. I've had plenty of physical problems myself, and I've seen loved ones go through some horrible physical illnesses, and my stance is the same. It's healthy to learn to let go than to try to live forever. Our humanity has more to do with our attitude and beliefs than on having a healthy, long-lasting body.

    There was an interesting article recently that talked about the difference between Walter on Breaking Bad and his son Walt Jr. The former does everything he can to control his life, including his cancer, while Walt Jr. simply accepts who he is (he is disabled). Walter loses his humanity by trying to control everything and become powerful whereas Walt Jr. retains his empathy, despite his lack of physical power.

    I'm not saying people shouldn't seek reasonable medical treatments. In fact, just the opposite. I'm saying humanity has more to do with how you treat people than the power or health of your physical body. The Sith are like Walter -- they're willing to do whatever it takes to keep living, forsaking their relationships with people and turning themselves into monsters. Jedi are like Walt Jr -- they let go and allow nature to take its course, respecting themselves and those around them.
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  23. Dra--- Chosen One

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    My 30 mins ran out on the edit function. Here's a link to that Breaking Bad article, if anyone's interested.

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  24. TheBBP Force Ghost

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    So, according to the descriptions for the final TCW episodes, Korriban is now canon.

    This is VERY exciting IMHO. I hope that we see more of it.
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  25. Mange Force Ghost

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    Uh, where did you see that? Korriban isn't mentioned in the TCW descriptions. The planet Morriband is.
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