Discussion Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by YoureNotJonesy, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. jimmytheqg Jedi Youngling

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    if the movie is about the kids then they might make a movie about how jacen solo became darth caedus. which is when the second galactic civil war began.
  2. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Rehash of the PT much?
  3. Ryus Force Ghost

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    First off agree most of the EU will never reach that level.

    Second I was arguing about knowing the ending was the reason the prequals where "bad" implies a) the prequals where bad b) knowing the ending was the sole reason they where bad c) knowing the ending makes a film impossible to enjoy... I had issue with all three assumptions. Points a and b were so false and off topic though I barely replied about that, point c though did have relivance to the EU because its a known story (or story subplot if adapted). I then pointed out that adapted stories can be original (300, Wizard of Oz, District 9, a few Sherlock adaptations, Nolan's Batman Trilogy, Marvel Cinematic Universe, The Magficent Seven, Casino Royale, a few Hamet/Shakespeare redos, Lord of the Rings (Hobbit)), surprising (Marvel Cinematic Universe, Nolan's Batman Trilogy, Silence of the Lambs, Titanic (debatable, but it tried), 300 (again debatable, but it tried), The Godfather part II), and/or well written (The Dark Knight, Casino Royale, True Grit, Gone with the Wind, The Godfather parts I and II, Ben-Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, Schindler's List, Apollo 13, The Green Mile, Hamlet, Hugo, The Wolf of Wall Street, 12 Years a Slave, Casablanca). If looked at it this way, I think it becomes more clear I wasn't trying to just list tons of classics but picked stuff from across the ages of film in each catagory... the only one that maybe Classic heavy is the 'well written' catagory and that was unintentional since I just have high standards of what's 'well written' on the high bar in my mind and since most movies I see these days are 'funner' films not 'well written films' so I just had less to enter based on first hand knowledge... and felt I was too modern heavy since in my mind the Marvel Cinematic universe is 8 movies and the list included 2 other trilogies... which leads me to my final point

    Third when you quoted me I feel you conviently cut out the Marvel and Batman films thus squewing the list classic heavy, which I feel was unintentionally misleading at the very least. Tisk, tisk...

    Fourth, I specifically mentioned historical stuff later since people have a fasination of seeing famous events, yet often enjoy the films even though they know how it will end (or can at least predict if 'historywood' makebelieve characters are added to history like Titanic did) since to them witnessing it is the fun of it... which I assumed apperently incorrectly that obviously that could translate to witnessing a 'famous war' mentioned in A New Hope... that tons of fans in the pre-prequal days always dreamed of seeing (and many OT fans still scream they wanted the PT to have started when the Clone Wars did not a decade before it).

    Fifth again... I never said the EU could be as good adapted movie, I was only stating that the argument against an EU adapted story since 'it must 'suck' since the 'prequals sucked' since knowing the outcome makes for a 'sucky' movie' is an illogical fallacy.

    Sixth, in my subjective opinion, as much as I'd the EU adapted into movies and become highest level canon as such... you gotta fix all the inconsistancies first at the very least, so TTT for instance almost needs an entire rewrite since the Clone Wars never went down that way plus fix anything VII mandates be adapted to with it too... and it must now fit a 2-2.5 hour movie slot. So it will be vastly different if it ever sees the light of the silver screen (and this just assumes they adapt it and not get creative beyond salvaging it), which means it would be more like the Marvel movies using great elements of famous EU books/book series to tell new story once all is said and done (for example the Winter Soldier the upcoming movies is adapted from a comic of the same name with some stuff almost being ripped straight from the comic but there are vast difference also that set this so far apart as to make it a lose adaptation). So please don't misread me implying I'm trying to imply the greatness of the EU.
  4. DarthBreezy Chosen One

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    I only intended to trim it for brevity (as I'm doing now) - your original post is still there (like the EU books themselves) un-bastardized. ;)

    What's really funny, is that as an author myself, I will feel a *small twang* when it all gets bulldozed. I have borrowed bits and bobs from the EU (Han and Leia's primarily, but they have vastly different destinies so they are EUNO's - Expanded Universe in Name Only, and that's because I found a great cowriter for some of my works over the years) my own 'AU' will be even more distanced from the 'true story' than it already is...
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  5. Ryus Force Ghost

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    I suppose brevity is 'subjective' in this case :p ;)

    Lolz about your AU though... the irony of it.
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  6. DarthBreezy Chosen One

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    It's still good - nothing but fanfiction.net being taken down can ever take those stories away, and they'll always be in my own head too.
  7. Ryus Force Ghost

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    I'd prefer not to get into a 'get over it, its still out there' vs 'it being canon was an enjoyment factor of it' debate... so I'll change gears and post a quote that I believes sums up the feelings behind the counter opinion since your post sums up the 'its still out there' one.

    I think this quote discribes the feelings who feel part of their enjoyment of the EU was that it was canon... as such feel its been robbed and now see it as less than it was before. Of course in this case fear it will be replaced by something they don't like as much.

    I didn't post this for one side or the other but more to explain the feelings to the otherside... so we can drop it and move on. For some its a self pleasure just for you, for others its more about sharing the adventure where they derive the pleasure (like the saying a pleasure shared is a pleasure doubled), for some others its a mix like reading for them but then knowing all others like them they can talk to about it...naturally where people fall on this will effect their pov on the matter.

    Now can we drop this and get back to what the EU can do for the ST...
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  8. mattman8907 Jedi Grand Master

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    do you think there will be a prequel comic for episode VII?
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  9. TheBBP Chosen One

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    I really hope that there will be some material leading up to EpVII.
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  10. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    I hope they follow the tradition of a lead-in novel.
  11. chris hayes Jedi Grand Master

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    Disney confirmed 30 years after EP VI so 34 ABY if it were 30 ABY then Luke Skywalker would be only 49 & as good as Mark Hamill looks at the moment I don't think he could pass for a 49 yo .........
  12. Ryus Force Ghost

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    Its not the years, its the mileage. :p
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  13. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    You can still share the adventure in so called "Old EU places" which will be born soon on the internets for all those who loved the old EU. As long as the fans of the old EU exist and care about it, why should discussion about it die? I think it is overly pessimistic to assume that just because this chapter was officially closed nobody will care about the old EU characters anymore.
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  14. hachijedi Force Ghost

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    I never agreed with Chewy dying anyway.
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  15. WatTamborWoo Jedi Grand Master

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    Do you remember the Prequel Comics from Dark Horse? eg: Anakin and the Boonta Eve classic. Happy days!
  16. Darth_Bertie Jedi Grand Master

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    You mean the usual timeline present on every EU book? As far as I know, Lockdown includes the same EU timeline at the front pages. It includes everything until Crucible.
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  17. WatTamborWoo Jedi Grand Master

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    What if Chewie dies in the ST? :p Some of the original characters (apart from R2 and 3PO IMO) are bound to disappear for dramatic purposes as the saga continues...[face_nail_biting]
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  18. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    How worried should we be that everyone is going to rip on Abrams if Chewie does die in the ST?

    They better make it memorable. Vector Prime was memorable. If anyone complains, you have no right to complain.
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  19. Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus

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    I think the biggest problem is that most casual fans wouldn't agree with it either. Chewie is almost certainly going to make an appearance if the big three do.
  20. hachijedi Force Ghost

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    Chewy is just too iconic he will be in the ST. As for him dying in the film, I don't see it. The only Death if there is one to the Big 3 might be Luke for an Obi/Qui Gon type Master dying to drive the young new jedi on his journey situation. But something is telling me none of the main stars will die, I think they want them all to go off in the sunset heroes.
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  21. Fastback Jedi Master

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    [quote="Darth_Pevra, post: 51424623, member: 1334274\You can still share the adventure in so called "Old EU places" which will be born soon on the internets for all those who loved the old EU. As long as the fans of the old EU exist and care about it, why should discussion about it die? I think it is overly pessimistic to assume that just because this chapter was officially closed nobody will care about the old EU characters anymore.[/quote]


    What chapter was officially closed? I don't think any of us can say for sure 100% that JJ will not use all PT,OT, TCW and EU and continue from there. The EU has a time line that includes all EU along with PT,OT. So why can't JJ start after "Crucible" a continuation of a all new story line that may address some things that happen the last 30yrs since ROTJ. I say why can't those who hate EU just keep going on with out reading any of it and hope VII is great and be happy from there.
  22. Krueger Chosen One

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    Not 100% certainty, no. Probably about 99.99%.
  23. hachijedi Force Ghost

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    The general audience would not accept Chewy being dead, I agree. I don't see how you can introduce Leia and Han marriage and family and Chewy not be involved, it makes no sense. Him and Han are basically brothers. I want the solo kids interacting with Chewy.
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  24. newdawn12 Force Ghost

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    Episode seven is 34 ABY, Crucible is 45 ABY
  25. Fastback Jedi Master

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    Ok a little off than if VII is about 34 years after than here are a couple of possiblities for the next saga liked or not if they follow EU.

    3536 ABY – The Dark Nest Crisis. or a few years later. 40 ABYSecond Galactic Civil War and I believe the Vong crisis is before Dark nest and I don't think any of us want that, EU lovers or not.