Discussion Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by YoureNotJonesy, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Dra--- Chosen One

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  2. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    So Bail and company created the Rebellion in ROTS? Right?
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  3. Ganger Chosen One

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  4. Jair Crawford Jedi Grand Master

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    If the novels are still Canon, I don't understand why the lead-in novels (Darth Plagueis, Cloak Of Deception, etc.) are now Legends, as they were written to fit within the movies and don't contradict them at all.

    This whole Legends thing is getting more confusing by the day. lol
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  5. Ganger Chosen One

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    It's real easy. What was EU is no longer part of the official continuity and is now called Legends. Anyone concerned with the movie making aspect of this franchise can do projects without even peeking through a Star Wars novel at an airport.
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  6. Granek Jedi Grand Master

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    exactly what about all the novels written during the CW are those thrown out as well? I'm betting someone is going to have to truly define what is and what isn't. Particularly the novels mentioned above and how well they fit in
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  7. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Yep.

    What part of "Minus contradictions to the films" is unclear?

    All original print novels, comics and video games are out. The novelizations of the films are still in. The lead in and lead out novels like "Cloak Of Deception" and "Shadows Of The Empire" are out.
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  8. Granek Jedi Grand Master

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    Ayn Rand was right....
  9. Jair Crawford Jedi Grand Master

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    That's unfortunate. So far, I've read a few of the lead-in novels to TPM and I thought they fit the story perfectly. I don't see why they would put them in the legends category unless they wanted to revisit that era with new novels, which they're showing no signs of interest in doing.

    Not to mention I don't see how they would affect the plot of the ST.

    I suppose they might want to cover the era with new spinoffs? I dunno...
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  10. Darth 1138 Jedi Padawan

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    I think the main point is that there has been no official list yet. The big announcement was made less than a week ago and they are still working the kinks in the plan. We are getting information piecemeal. For example the prequel novelisations are good, refined and well-written fiction. The OT novelisations, on the other hand, are weird, not that bad but at odds not just with the old EU but with some of the movies (from memory), while the aforementioned Darth Plagueis, Cloak etc. are more consistent with films than those.

    And it's not been definitively said that all the old EU is dead. Just that some of it is, and stuff is getting rebranded.

    So it's a matter of time, and we need to keep waiting.
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  11. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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  12. Granek Jedi Grand Master

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    its been very ambiguous to say the least, but they should have known:

    A - the back lash on their decision about the EU
    B - wait until they actually knew what wasn't canon and what was

    when Jennifer Heddle isn't even sure if Bane/ Plagues are Legends or Cannon that's pretty telling
  13. purplerain Force Ghost

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    I don't see any ambiguity. Heddle tweeted that Bane and Plagueis the characters are canon because GL created them but the novels about them are legends.
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  14. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    I'll say this much, right now, LFL is not going to recognize those stories. If they do at a later point, then they will. For your own pleasure, you can still include all of the lead in and lead out novels. For me, I can sit down and do a marathon of the Saga and do without TCW. Not that I don't like the series, but it would take too long to go through and I'd rather have the shorter run with the 03-05 CW series. 21 chapters dedicated to part of the conflict and then the rest leading into ROTS. Add in the cartoon short from "The Holiday Special" and there you go. Simple and to the point.
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  15. Beezer Force Ghost

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    So they're giving us the same tired old silliness: "Everything you read here is canon - except the parts which aren't."

    What they wrote in their tweet is incredibly vague. They say "movie novelizations are canon where they align with what is seen on screen." What that tells me is that scenes in the books that don't show up on screen are not canon. So in essence the books don't add a single thing to what is canon.
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  16. Granek Jedi Grand Master

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    I was going to write something similar; very convoluted
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  17. Dra--- Chosen One

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    I don't think it's confusing. The only thing in the movie novels which aren't canon are those details that contradict the films. Simple.
  18. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Owen being Obi-Wan's brother, Yoda is blue etc.
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  19. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    They should just re-write the OT novelizations.
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  20. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Except for the Death Star scenes in ROTJ. Palpatine, Luke and Vader rock in that.
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  21. Beezer Force Ghost

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    But that's not what the Del Ray tweet says when they were calrifying the situation. They didn't says "the books are canon except where they contradict the film." The tweet specifically says "movie novelizations are canon where they align with what is seen on screen.

    So take, for example, the scene where young Anakin encounters a wounded Tusken Raider. That scene does not contradict anything seen on screen, but it certainly doesn't really align with anything either.

    Do ducks exist in the GFFA? Obi-Wan certainly knows what a duck is in the novel..... :D
  22. Dra--- Chosen One

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    Right. Obvious contradictions.

    Exactly. The OT novels must be the worst offenders of canon. I think it's a great idea to rewrite them.

    But it won't be too long before we have some new LFL canon sourcebook or online database we can all reference. I might actually buy one of those now...
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  23. Ichthyocentaur Jedi Master

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    Wow. That recanonizes a whole slew of material, I guess.

    For example, check this quote from Wookieepedia's ROTS novelization page:



    I'm inclined to somewhat agree. JJ has broad discretion to ignore the EU wholesale, so anything in the novelizations that doesn't jive with his vision is gonna be tossed. Whether that can still be called 'canon' is iffy. It's residual at best.
  24. Dra--- Chosen One

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    Align means not to contradict. When two things align, they correspond. When they don't, they contradict. Come on folks, it's not rocket science. Align certainly doesn't mean "if it's not in the film then it's not canon."

    TFN agrees:
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  25. Beezer Force Ghost

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    Not true. The definition of align is a bit more complicated. According to Mirriam-Webster:

    : to arrange things so that they form a line or are in proper position
    : to change (something) so that it agrees with or matches something else
    : to join a group that is supporting or opposing something

    So "to align" is a bit more than just "not to contradict." If you say "the sky is blue" and I say "the grass is green" then we're not contradicting each other, but we are certainly not aligned together. Like I said before, while the injured Tusken Raider scene doesn't contradict anything on screen, it also certainly doesn't align with anything.

    Exactly. The OT novels must be the worst offenders of canon. I think it's a great idea to rewrite them.[/quote]+1 +1. The original Star Wars novel is so radically different from what we see on screen, that calling it canon is pretty foolish. At least with the prequels, what you get for the most part are scenes in the movie matching what we read in the book, with the books including some extra stuff (that likely got left on the cutting room floor).


    They actually did an E4 comic book re-write some time ago.
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