Discussion Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by YoureNotJonesy, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm getting it child

    http://www.jazmaonline.com/interviews/interviews2007.asp?intID=432

    Lucas shot down the original idea for DE and approved it's current premise, it's contradictory weather Lucas came up with the cloning or just approved it
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  2. Varguitas Jedi Knight

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    That's why it is not clear. People should stop saying that George Lucas came up with the idea, when it's not even clear.
  3. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    He still approved the idea of cloning the Emporor and denied the origonal idea of having some smuck dressing up as Vader as the antagonist. Indicating he was aware of what was in it. Ergo it's irrelevant
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  4. LunarMoth Force Ghost

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    I assume that this is the only place I can say this, so here it goes:

    I do not think that any EU will be used in the ST. Perhaps little cameos kinda like Dash Rendar's ship being seeing the Ep. IV Special Edition, but no major role.

    Personally, I have always looked at the EU stuff as nothing more than "What ifs". That not to say that its not good stuff. Some of it is. That being said, I like to believe that the ST is going to be a very thoughtfull continuation of the Skywalker story with the political subplot that we all know and love. That in and of itself doesn't exclude the EU stuff, but I think at the day of the day the EU "What if" status will still be intact.

    Just my opinion....
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  5. Krueger Force Ghost

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    Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader
  6. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Just saying if it was a what if why bother keeping consistancy between it and the movies? Or why bother with separate levels of continuity. Speaking of which if they were what if's they would be infinities. Not EU
  7. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    What if the ST actually takes place far enough in the future to be independent of the EU while allowing it to remain intact? I've been laying out my theory in my own thread, "Do not assume anything...", but unsurprisingly I'm being met with a lot of resistance. It's as solid a theory as any though, and it would totally solve this whole EU dilemma.
  8. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    I wouldn't mind this in the slightest
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  9. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    I would mention Heir to the Empire, Shatterpoint
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  10. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    Shadows of Mindor....
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  11. Echo-07 Force Ghost

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    One thing to keep in mind especially if you're en EU fan -- Bob Iger, when making the Disney announcement, specifically stated that the SW universe consisted of 17,000 characters. Most of those exist in the EU, so Disney is NOT just going to completely trash it.
  12. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    Which is precisely why I'm speculating that they might set the ST in a time period where they can steer clear of the EU entirely.
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  13. Garth Maul Manager Emeritus

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    Hard to say.


    We know Pablo did a bunch of research for the treatment, and Lucas has confirmed they are going to be original stories.

    So why the research?

    - Lucas wants to know if anything similar to his ST idea has already been done;
    - Lucas is interested in some EU characters/ideas and wants to know more about them
    - Lucas wants to find a time in the chronology where there's space to maneuver .
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  14. Echo-07 Force Ghost

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    YES! I think that's exactly it.
  15. KED12345 Force Ghost

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    I find it hard to believe people want the next Star Wars movies to obey completely to everything post-ROTJ EU, there's some good materials, mostly in the novels, but I find it harder to believe some people expect it too.

    The ST will draw on the EU, just like the PT did with the existing materials. But they will not adapt or continue those storylines, regardless of your views on 'canon'. The only storyline being continued here is what happens after Episode VI, simple as. Ideas will be adapted as I said, such as the many planets introduced, and some characters from the EU will more than likely be introduced into the ST, mostly minor characters my guess, and maybe the Solo twins. Besides to a lot of people, hardcore fans not included, and people who've are only casual Star Wars fans (never read an ounce of EU, which is most of the people who sit down at watch the movies), the only canon is Star Wars Episode I, II, III, IV, V, VI, and to add that in the future - Episode VII, VIII, and IX.

    Chewbacca's alive, unless stated otherwise, Luke never got married, Thrawn never existed, the Vong never invaded, and Jacen Solo never became Darth Caedus.

    The story so far has stopped at the party at Endor, in three years we'll find out what happens next.

    Don't take me wrong, I love the EU novels, well not all of them, but I respect them for what they are. However, in 2015 I'm not going in expecting to see a storyline post-Crucible, but like said, an original story.
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  16. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Then why bother researching anything?
  17. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    To mine for nifty concepts?
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  18. LunarMoth Force Ghost

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    Let me re-phrasse slightly......

    The movies (Ep Numbered ones at least..) will always stand alone in the sense that they are telling one main story, and at no point in that story would you be lost if you didnt read the books and such.

    As far as calling them "What ifs" goes, I meant that more like "What if we wrote a story about Hammerhead". This way, that story CAN be official cannon, but not conflict with OR influence how you see him in the films.
  19. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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  20. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    And why is that "wrong"? It's a distinct possibility.
  21. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Because you could just google for it
  22. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    You cannot be serious. Do you really think Lucas, Kennedy and Arndt are going to trawl through Wookieepedia during their story meetings when instead they can get someone like Pablo to give them reports on the EU tailored to their needs?
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  23. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    My vote obviously goes to number 3 :)
  24. Varguitas Jedi Knight

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    I think we have to realize that the six Star Wars films all are telling the most important part of the particular story George has wanted to tell. Episode I portrays the beginning of Anakin Skywalker's journey and the rise of Palpatine as Supreme Chancellor. Episode II portrays the beginning of the Clone Wars, furthering down the evil path of Palpatine, Anakin's continuous descent towards the dark side and his love for Padme. Episode III portrays the end of the Clone Wars, the Rise of the Empire and the Rise of Darth Vader. Episode IV portrays the beginning of Luke Skywalker's journey, A major battle won by the Rebels, and the beginning of Darth Vader's Redemption, when he realizes that a pilot strong with the Force destroyed the Death Star, and becomes obsessed to find out how he is. By Episode V, we get to see Luke Skywalker's continuous training to become a Jedi, Darth Vader's search for the Rebel pilot, and his eventual confrontation to reveal their parentage. Episode VI shows the victory of the Rebel Alliance over the Empire in Endor, Darth Vader's redemption, the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Chosen One and the destruction of the Sith.

    If the next three movies-are going to tell the important part of the story-Do you honestly think that the writers are going to jump over a 40 year time period- leaving it ''intact'' and somehow create a story that is more important than anything that has happened in the EU, and tie it with the other six films? Having an event like the Vong War, which according to Wookiepedia, it was the costliest war in the galaxy's history, greatly undermines the point of the first six films, and will undermine the story of the other three. I am sorry, but their is now way it will survive.
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  25. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    That's like saying World War II undermines World War I. It's utterly irrelevant
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