Official Star Trek music discussion

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  1. Vaderbait Jedi Grand Master

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    I've got the extended scores for First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis, and they are all excellent and far above the originals. First Contact is only slighter better, with, like I said, the great tracks only lasting a few seconds.

    Insurrection is probably the best of the bunch, though the last half of Nemesis extended is downright awesome.
  2. StarWarsFan2005 Jedi Youngling

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    Vaderbait wrote:
    I've got the extended scores for First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis, and they are all excellent and far above the originals. First Contact is only slighter better, with, like I said, the great tracks only lasting a few seconds.

    Insurrection is probably the best of the bunch, though the last half of Nemesis extended is downright awesome.

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    I agree with that statement. The expanded scores for all 3 are far superior to their predasessors (OST's). I like First Contact the best, then Nemesis and Insurrection. If you divide up the Nemesis score evenly to where Disc 2 starts with The Mirror, which is what I've done and I agree all of Disc 2 is very awesome and enjoyable.

    Trent
  3. DarthArsenal6 Force Ghost

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    Any word of an expansion for ST2 and 3
  4. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    None. That would be cool though. I love Horner's ST scores.

  5. DarthArsenal6 Force Ghost

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    Of course he is
    the ones i'm look for when Kirk blows up Khans ship near the end. Quite a powerful score

    however i was kinda gutted when Paramount did not get Horner back for the rest of Star Trek Movies including the next generation.
  6. StarWarsFan2005 Jedi Youngling

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    Not me...I to a certain extent like Leonard Rosenman's Star Trek IV score....and I'm glad they chose Goldsmith to do Star Trek V's score. Cliff Eidelman's Star Trek VI was really good. Dennis McCarthy's Star Trek Generations (depsite what people say) score was excellent as well that's one I'm disappointed that didn't have some certain cues on the OST. And I'm also glad the chose Goldsmith to score the last three Star Trek films... Star Trek First Contact-Nemesis..even though for First Contact his son Joel helped him out on some of the cues...but I'm glad they didn't decide to have Horner to score the rest of the Trek films...

    Trent
  7. DarthArsenal6 Force Ghost

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    ok maybe not no. 6


    at least Horner had more feel thats my opinion.
  8. StarWarsFan2005 Jedi Youngling

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    Sorry but if Horner had composed the rest of the Star Trek films, after a while it would have gotten very boring....and most likely he would have used the same music over and over again in each movie. Sorry but I totally disagree with you, and I'm sure others will to. Star Trek's II and III were good yes....but I'm glad that's all he did. I'm more glad they chose Goldsmith to do the last 3 Trek films that was fitting for Paramount on that choice...in my opinion Goldsmith is a lot better than Horner....at least he doesn't re-use the same music in each of his scores like Horner does.

    Trent
  9. DarthArsenal6 Force Ghost

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    Ah ok I see your point
    I do Agree with you strongly about Horner recycling his scores.
    It does become boring as well as annoying.
    there are countless moments of this
    when I was listerning to Aliens Track 6 : futile escape
    the scene where a whole load Aliens coming to attack, the same scene where Hudson and Vazqueze (my favorite soider in the movie) dies, I honestly thought the Klingons of ST3 were coming on a Bird of Prey !

    I do wish Horner explore other alternatives to his music, like Goldsmith once did.

    I must admit Goldsmiths score on Alien is far more superior than Horners on Aliens.

    It is very unfortunate that he died james could learn more from this Great Man.
  10. Eugene_Meltsner_AIO Jedi Master

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    That is a very interesting thing. Now that Goldsmith is dead, if Paramount makes any more Star Trek films (Deep Space Nine or Voyage?), who would they get to score them? Would they bring back Horner or Edelman? If not, who could they bring into the franchise?
  11. Mastadge Manager Emeritus

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    I'd like to see Eidelman back, but I'd love to hear Poledouris come into the genre. He's very good at naval sounding scores, and sci fi.
  12. Eugene_Meltsner_AIO Jedi Master

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    Ahhh, that's good thinking, Mastadge. I really like the idea of Poledouris.
  13. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    I liked Eidelman's score for The Undiscovered Country. He'd be my top choice.
  14. Mastadge Manager Emeritus

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  15. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    Ah, yes. I have recently acquired several of the ST scores.

    And I agree with myself about The Undiscovered Country score.
  16. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    [face_whistling]

    Anyway yah I think Eidelmann's score is the most underrated ST score out there. It's really quite good!

  17. Billy_Dee_Binks Force Ghost

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    I own the SE of Star Trek: The Motion Picture OST.
    If anyone owns Search for Spock, I was wondering is the music used during the scene in which Krug falls down the cliff and dies in the lava sea below included? Or does anyone have this piece of music somewhere?

    It is really spine-tingling when reaching it's highest point in a horror-type of way.

    Here are a couple of screenshot I found online of what is happening as the music sets in.

    [image=http://theapostleofgod.com/mov/tsfs/tsfs/tsfs614.jpg]
    [image=http://theapostleofgod.com/mov/tsfs/tsfs/tsfs615.jpg]
    [image=http://theapostleofgod.com/mov/tsfs/tsfs/tsfs616.jpg]
    [image=http://theapostleofgod.com/mov/tsfs/tsfs/tsfs617.jpg]
    [image=http://theapostleofgod.com/mov/tsfs/tsfs/tsfs618.jpg]
  18. Vaderbait Jedi Grand Master

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    Here's an interesting thought. I haven't listened to my Trek scores in a very long time, well before I became concerned with chronological order of music. With all the attention given to other films about re-arranging the scores, I guess I should ask: Does Trek need to be reorganized, or do the scores generally follow the film (excepting where the score from the film is missing)?
  19. Vaderbait Jedi Grand Master

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  20. QUI-DON-JINN Force Ghost

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    For the original crew movies, aside from TMP, it looks as if they're all over the place as far as track titles go. Whether or not the music pieces match the tracks . . . ?

    For TMP (1999 release): Looks accurate, although the placement of "Ilia's Theme" can go pretty much anywhere. I've noticed many of these seque directly into the next track, so at least those are in order.
    1. Ilia's Theme (3:01)
    2. Main Title (1:23)
    3. Klingon Battle (5:27)
    4. Total Logic (3:44)
    5. Floating Office (1:03)
    6. The Enterprise (5:59)
    7. Leaving Drydock (3:29)
    8. Spock's Arrival (1:58)
    9. The Cloud (4:58)
    10. Vejur Flyover (4:57)
    11. The Force Field (5:03)
    12. Games (3:41)
    13. Spock Walk (4:19)
    14. Inner Workings (3:01)
    15. Vejur Speaks (3:50)
    16. The Meld (3:09)
    17. A Good Start (2:26)
    18. End Title (3:16)

    For the rest, I'd modify the orders as:

    II: TWOK
    (actual)
    1. Main Title (3:03)
    2. Surprise Attack (5:08)
    3. Spock (1:13)
    4. Kirk's Explosive Reply (4:02)
    5. Khan's Pets (4:19)
    6. Enterprise Clears Moorings (3:36)
    7. Battle in the Mutara Nebula (8:05)
    8. Genesis Countdown (6:36)
    9. Epilogue/End Title (8:43)

    1. Main Title (3:03)
    3. Spock (1:13)
    6. Enterprise Clears Moorings (3:36)
    5. Khan's Pets (4:19)
    2. Surprise Attack (5:08)
    4. Kirk's Explosive Reply (4:02)
    7. Battle in the Mutara Nebula (8:05)
    8. Genesis Countdown (6:36)
    9. Epilogue/End Title (8:43)

    III: TSFS
    (actual)
    1. Prologue and Main Title (6:27)
    2. Klingons (5:55)
    3. Stealing the Enterprise (8:33)
    4. The Mind Meld (2:30)
    5. Bird of Prey Decloaks (3:37)
    6. Returning to Vulcan (4:49)
    7. The Katra Ritual (4:29)
    8. End Title (6:12)
    9. The Search for Spock (3:43)

    1. Prologue and Main Title (6:27)
    2. Klingons (5:55)
    4. The Mind Meld (2:30)
    3. Stealing the Enterprise (8:33)
    5. Bird of Prey Decloaks (3:37)
    6. Returning to Vulcan (4:49)
    7. The Katra Ritual (4:29)
    8. End Title (6:12)
    9. The Search for Spock (3:43)

    IV: TVH
    (actual)
    1. Main Title (2:39)
    2. The Whaler (2:01)
    3. Market Street (4:37) (Yellowjackets)
    4. Crash-Whale Fugue (8:16)
    5. Ballad of the Whale (4:59)(Yellowjackets)
    6. Gillian Seeks Kirk (2:42)
    7. Chekov's Run (1:20)
    8. Time Travel (1:28)
    9. Hospital Chase (1:14)
    10. The Probe (1:16)
    11. Home Again: End Credits (5:38)

    1. Main Title (2:39)
    10. The Probe (1:16)
    8. Time Travel (1:28)
    3. Market Street (4:37) (Yellowjackets)
    5. Ballad of the Whale (4:59)(Yellowjackets) (not sure about this one)
    7. Chekov's Run (1:20)
    6. Gillian Seeks Kirk (2:42)
    9. Hospital Chase (1:14)
    2. The Whaler (2:01)
    4. Crash-Whale Fugue (8:16)
    11. Home Again: End Credits (5:38)

    V: TFF
    (actual)
    1. The Mountain (3:53)
    2. The Barrier (2:53)
    3. Without Help (4:21)
    4. A Busy Man (4:42)
    5. Open the Gates (3:02)
    6. An Angry God (6:58)
    7. Let's Get Out of Here (5:15)
    8. Free Minds (3:19)
    9. Life is a Dream (3:59)
    10. The Moon's a Window to Heaven (4:00)

    1. The Mountain (3:53)
    5. Open the Gates (3:02)
    8. Free Minds (3:19)
    2. The Barrier (2:53)
    4. A Busy Man (4:42)
    6. An Angry God (6:58)
    3. Without Help (4:21)
    7. Let's Get Out of Here (5:15)
    9. Life is a Dream (3:59)
    10. The Moon's a Window to Heaven (4:00)

    VI: TUC
    1. Overture (2:57)
    2. An Incident (0:53)
    3. Clear All Moorings (1:39)
    4. Assassination (4:45)
    5. Surrender for Peace (2:46)
    6. Death of Gorkon (1:10)
    7. Rura Penthe (4:22)
    8. Revealed (2:38)
    9. Escape from Rura Penthe (4:22)
    10. Dining on Ashes (1:00)
    11. The Battle for Peace (8:03)
    12. Sign Off (3:13)
    13. Star Trek VI Suite/End Credits (6:18)
    I wouldn't change the order for VI.

    I'm not as familiar with the TNG films to do this, but there's what I think.
  21. The-Tennis-Ball-Kid Jedi Knight

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    1. Main Title (3:03)
    5.Khan's Pets (4:19)
    6. Enterprise Clears Moorings (3:36)
    3. Spock (1:13)
    2. Surprise Attack (5:08)
    4. Kirk's Explosive Reply (4:02)
    7. Battle in the Mutara Nebula (8:05)
    8. Genesis Countdown (6:36)
    9. Epilogue/End Title (8:43)

    Is the acual order of TWOK....


    TMP is accurate, Ilia's Theme was originally used as an overture...



    ttbk
  22. Kalio_Dynkos Force Ghost

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    Since this is Star Trek based, I have a question for you fellow thespians and music lovers. In the episode "Conscience of the King" of TOS, during the cocktail party a jazz adaption of the Star Trek theme is placed. Then it is heard again in the episode "Courtmartial". Does anyone know where I can find this song?
  23. Vaderbait Jedi Grand Master

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    Sorry, I don't know.

    I'm suddenly getting into my Trek scores again, and I just read on the net that there IS an expanded score for Star Trek III: The Search For Spock floating around. However, I can't find a track list but have found four tracks (and more but I was unsuccessful) titled: Information Drop, Kruge's Plan/Approaching Genesis, Kirk's Promise/Genesis Beamdown, and Climbing the Steps of Mount Seleya.

    Anyone heard this or know the track list?
  24. Rogan_Agar Jedi Master

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    Got the complete editions of FIRST CONTACT, INSURRECTION and NEMESIS.

    Wow. They are great, especially NEMESIS profits from it. The battle march is great, and the Enterprise flyby just rocks.
  25. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    Yeah, that little thirty-one second cue is called "En Route" on the extended Nemesis soundtrack I have. I've played it quite a lot, and it makes a nice little track to break up other long ones on a mix CD.
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