Clone Wars Official "The Clone Wars" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by RevantheJediMaster, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. Mzukiller Jedi Master

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    The meaning of Bringing Balance to the Force has never really been clear. We were led to believe it would mean destroying the Sith, but then it turned out that it meant the Jedi had to be reduced to signifigantly fewer numbers, but then it turned out to mean "Yes, destroy the sith"
  2. Darth Valkyrus Force Ghost

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    Maybe there was no real prophecy. I mean maybe the supposed prophecy was just the ramblings of some old Jedi centuries ago who was hitting the acid for reasons known only to himself. He was high as a kite and came out with this "prophecy" and ever since the Jedi have believed it, but it's all BS, and there s no chosen one, nor was the Force ever unbalanced nor was or will be balance brought to it.
  3. Heero_Yuy Force Ghost

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    You may be joking, but I've since been an advocate of there being no need to reference the Prophesy in Episode VII. Reason being?

    YODA: "A prophesy that misread, could have been."

    Coupled with it not being mentioned at ALL in the OT, it stands to reason that the Chosen One business was nothing but a crock.
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  4. Darth Valkyrus Force Ghost

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    An argument could be made that Palpatine was the chosen one. He's possibly a better fit for it than Anakin.
  5. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    "Hey, wanna buy some death sticks?"

    "You don't want to sell me death sticks..."

    "I don't want to sell you death sticks..."

    "I might go home and prophecy something..."

    "You might go home and prophecy something..."

    "It might involve a so-called Chosen One who loses his damn mind..."

    "It might involve a..." *blinks* "OK, you're right, selling you death sticks would be a really really bad idea."
  6. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    Anakin was the Chosen One.
  7. SithStarSlayer Ntwadumela: he who greets w/ fire Prequel & SWTV

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    You know its bad when Maul starts talking about it, 3 minutes after his mind's been restored.:p
  8. Fives_Says_No_To_Sixes Jedi Grand Master

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    In-Universe, I think this ^ is very plausible. Out-of-Universe, Lucas has specifically stated in interviews, "Anakin is the Chosen one. And even when Anakin turns into Darth Vader, he is still the Chosen One...The prophecy is that Anakin will bring balance to the force and destroy the Sith. He becomes Darth Vader. Darth Vader does become the hero. Darth Vader does destroy the Sith - meaning himself and the Emperor. He does it because he is redeemed by his son. So the prophecy is true. And by doing that, he redeems himself and goes from being Darth Vader back to being Anakin again." (- The Chosen One featurette on the ROTS dvd)

    ......of course, that was back in 2005 so who knows how many times he could've changed his mind since then.
  9. SithStarSlayer Ntwadumela: he who greets w/ fire Prequel & SWTV

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    Meh. The Chosen One stuff is a bunch of rubbish... the force didn't redeem Skywalker... Kenobi rewarded him.

    Just ask Ryder Windham.
    ;)
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  10. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    No, Luke did ;)
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  11. SithStarSlayer Ntwadumela: he who greets w/ fire Prequel & SWTV

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    "Quantum Being" might be my favorite chapter, in all of Star Wars publishing... SC20140114-220218.jpg Balance is achieved by destroying those who seek to transcend the force.
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  12. TaradosGon SWTV Mod - Like Palpatine with animals

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    That's all well and good for the EU to try and fill in massive gaps left by Lucas, but for those gaps to even exist is a massive storytelling flaw of Star Wars. As someone that doesn't read *much* EU, I would NEVER arrive at that conclusion based on what's in the films themselves, and many fans' knowledge of Star Wars isn't going to expand far beyond what they merely see on the movie screen, or even TV screen.

    All that really gets known is that the Sith unbalance the Force for unknown reasons while the Jedi do not, and that only the Sith seem to do so, not Dark Jedi or non-Force using evil individuals. There is a preoccupation of the Jedi in destroying the Sith (it actually wasn't very pre-occupying, since that seemed to be on the backburner for much of AOTC and TCW), and that destroying the Sith is going to make everything better, when the Sith weren't really shown to do anything to shape the galaxy that a non-Force using senator could not have also done.

    Take the Force away from Palpatine and he could still get into office by sympathy vote, stage a crisis, scapegoat the Jedi, issue Order 66, become Emperor and build a WMD to create a reign of terror.

    They build up this situation that is reminiscent of Lord of the Rings (in which characters constantly remark about sensing evil, or where we see supernatural powers at work), but in Star Wars, outside of telekinesis or Force lightning, we hardly see how evil Force users SPECIFICALLY are shaping the galaxy for the worse and imbalancing the Force. The EU has the capacity to fill in gaps, but when there are such major gaps over a major plot point, that it needs to be addressed in a subordinate canon rank seems like damage control.

    Like for instance in Star Trek: Into Darkness, they found the whitest guy they could find to play a character that was previously played by a Latino actor, and that is in the canon supposed to be Sikh. The reason the character was supposed to be Sikh was to dissociate the racist notion that a "superman" is some Nordic/Germanic "Aryan." That in the 1990s (envisioned during the 60s), a Sikh could be superior. In Into Darkness they did a complete 180 and turned this superior non-white character into a white Brit because the writers felt uncomfortable making the villain non-white. The original idea was meant to be progressive and show superiority irregardless of race, while the writers make him white for fear of being racist.

    Now there is a comic tie-in to that film that is trying to reconcile how he goes from a Sikh to a white guy. Which is all well and good that they are actually addressing that issue. But for such a classic, non-white character played by a non-white actor to all of a sudden be cast with the whitest guy they could find in the role, that should have been addressed on screen. It's damage control.

    And I only bring Star Trek up because it's a property that I assume the majority of people here are not nearly as invested in as Star Wars (if at all), so I feel the role its EU plays in filling in gaps left by the film is more objectively recognizable as a shortcoming.
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  13. SithStarSlayer Ntwadumela: he who greets w/ fire Prequel & SWTV

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    I can only hope that Lumiya gets the chance to have her say.
    [face_mischief]
  14. Darth Valkyrus Force Ghost

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    Episode VII takes a Game of Thrones twist when Han and Leia have a deformed child. Investigation of their DNA reveals a horrific truth. Turns out Padme had a secret pregnancy by Rush Clovis during her relationship with him. After the breakdown of that relationship, she gave the newborn away for adoption on Corellia. Unfortunately the supposed adoptive parents were crooks of some type, and the baby was soon seized from them and placed into a seedy orphanage. A while after that, he was found and taken in by a bounty hunter called Garris Shrike... And the rest is history.

    The horror.
  15. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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  16. Darth Valkyrus Force Ghost

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    Tongue in cheek Legolas. Sorry for the confusion.
  17. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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  18. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    You spelled "oh hell" wrong.

    Don't do it again.
  19. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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  20. Seerow SWTV★Mod

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    Damn I hope Clovis dies this time...
  21. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    Hope so too.....by Anakin's hand
  22. Seerow SWTV★Mod

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    I think there are few characters in fiction I've ever wanted to see the crap get kicked out of so much. I just hated him in season 2. I hate that this guy gets a revisit before about 5 much better one shots I'd have loved to have seen again much more.
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  23. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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  24. Cary_the_Brave Jedi Grand Master

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    I thought he was executed at the end of "Senate Spy" and that was the last political intrigue we'd ever see again... apparently that was far from true.
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  25. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    Well we didn't see it with our own eyes.