Full Series Official "The Clone Wars" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I'd have to listen to them to judge it. And again, none of these shows are in the animated genre as TCW is, correct?

 

Not animated, but modern Doctor Who is really good at this, too.

 

Yep, but they also work because of what happens.
Sure you'd be able to tell something is happening but not what.
Ahsoka leaving works because the audience is invested in her, the tracks I mentioned are all similar events that are major events for these series.
It might not work with just listening to them without prior knowledge to the why and how and backstory.

The All Along The Watchtower was teased throughout that season (3) in various little motifs in other songs. The characters start to drop little references to the song in their conversation and some start to hear it. It all leads up to that moment and then the audience and the characters at the same time realise what ia going on.

Battlestar deserves a watch anyway. Check it out if you haven't. It may not seem like a show that is worth it but really it blows everything else out of the water.
It kinda tackles stuff in the same vein as the Mortis trilogy, whilst covering near enough every major topic.

 

Potential connections of Saw's Onderon past through the TCW arc. I won't hold my breath that he'd mention anything about the Padawan who train the members of his Rebellion to retake the capital, but I'm still holding out hope that even a subtle mention of her would be made.

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I think at best we'll get a generic "the Jedi are no longer around to keep the peace" line, but with the delivery hinting that Saw knew some of the Order personally. I feel like anything too direct would be a reference for reference's sake and would suck the audience out of the film.

 

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A subtle dialogue I had initially proposed on the Ahsoka thread:

Jyn: I've heard so much about the Jedi. The keepers of peace for the entire galaxy for generations.
Saw: Yeah, they were a special bunch (he says with a grin).
Jyn: You talk as if you've met them.
Saw: The Republic sent a few of them with Clones to assist us on Onderon. Two of them left after the first day, but one, a female Togrutan, stayed with us until we took back our planet.

Honestly, I don't see the harm in suggesting he did have a direct relationship with the Jedi. And considering Ahsoka played a significant role in the recapturing of Onderon, I don't think it would damage the sanctity of the franchise if he gave her a subtle nod like that.

 

How do ya'll feel about the introduction of the jedi sentinels in the clone wars. Because for me they kinda feel out of place. Like Gothic knights guarding a Buddhist temple.

 

No offense intended, and I really have no business criticizing anyone's writing, but to me there's little subtlety in that. It comes off as quite plain. There's nothing subtle about "a female Togrutan", it's terribly artificial. If you're going to go that far, he might as well just say her name. In fact, that would be more natural than "a female Togrutan".

I'm no writer, but try it like this. (also I don't know who Jyn is, so I'm leaving that part out)

Saw: I met a Jedi once, a long time ago, back on Onderon. She...

Finish that however you want.

"Onderon" and "She" mean nothing to those who have never heard of this stuff (yet still suggestive enough for fans to ask "who was that Jedi Saw was talking about?"), yet it's still plenty for her fans to catch on.

It's also more personal, suggesting a relationship. All that talk about the Republic and clones and the number of days they stayed and formal description of gender and species...it's all an impersonal info dump, like something from Wookieepedia.

"I met a Jedi"....."she"....

He's speaking about his own experience, from his own memory, not summing up events for an encyclopedia.

Instead of having him say they "were a special bunch", just have him give a little amused smile, like Obi-Wan when Han was ignorantly talking about the Force as if it was a myth.

But, it's already been done with Han in TFA.

 

Well I still liked mine better. At this point, I would assume most Star Wars fans, even the casual ones, know who Ahsoka is. Just because she hasn't had a role in a live action film doesn't mean people wouldn't know who she was. IMO, it would be very weird for Saw to talk about everything that went on when he took back Onderon without giving proper credit to the Jedi who assisted him. And if he mentions Anakin and/or Obi-Wan without mentioning Ahsoka, then I'd just be fumigated. I'd probably walk out of the theater at that point. Anakin and Kenobi left after the first day.

 

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There's no way Saw's going to say "a female Togrutan." That comes off as really scripted and unnatural.

 

So then there's a better chance of him giving credit to Ahsoka by name?

 

They actually predate the clone wars show by a few years, their was something similar introduced in the tie in to revenge of the sith like the video game

 

Jedi Brute's seemed to have served that purpose in 2005's ROTS game. Kanan's look was also reminiscent of the Jedi Sniper's from that same ROTS video game's Jedi Temple security fodder.

 

I think so.

You met a Jedi?
Yeah. Ahsoka Tano. Back on Onderon. We...


But, "she" does mean Ahsoka. There are so few notable female Jedi in canon at this point, that "she" really narrows it down. That is giving credit to Ahsoka. And no, I wouldn't have him mention any other Jedi at all, not even vaguely. If he's going to remember anyone after twenty years, it's going to be Ahsoka, not Anakin and Obi-Wan. (though Anakin does have the distinction of being on the Holonet as the Republic's poster boy, as being The Hero With No Fear)

I knew this one would just enrage you, so I didn't mention it, but I also considered the possibility that he's just forgotten her name, if only for a moment. It has been like twenty years, and they only spent a short time together.

It could be wistful, like in Saving Private Ryan when Tom Hanks and Tom Sizemore are trying to remember that kid's name.

Sorta like that, except replace Vecchio with Ahsoka, and the proper descriptions.

"What was the name of that Jedi at Onderon?"
"Ahsoka."
"Yeah, Ahsoka."

Something like that, only fit it to adapt to Rogue One, which I know absolutely nothing about. (haven't seen any trailers, haven't followed any info, and don't want to)

The conversation doesn't have to be a forced reference that takes the audience out of the film. It could be a chat around the fire, between old war buddies, or something like that.

 

My issue with using "she" vs. either "Togrutan Padawan" or "Ahsoka" is that it could still be confused among those casual, film-only SW fans that might immediately think of Shaak-Ti or even Aayla; both of whom were featured in the PT at some point.

 

You know the possibility exists that Saw could be told of Ahsoka's death by the leaders of the Rebellion-Bail Organa.

I'm not saying it'll happen nor that I expect it too but the possibility exists and it would be insane to see.

 

I merged your thread with our Official Clone Wars thread. It actually suits this thread better then having its own since it's about Jedi Sentinels in The Clone Wars.

 

oh thanks,I didn't if it was appropriate here.

 

You're talking about these guys, right?


Yeah, at least several people thought they were out of place.

They're Jedi, they don't have inquisitors, and they don't hide their faces.

Though I haven't seen a second of Rebels, it seems like a really bad attempt at foreshadowing the Empire's inquisitors.

 

You're welcome. It's a perfectly fine topic to go here.

 

I suppose it could be like the Dark Knight Rises, where Gordon asks Batman about his identity and Batman tells Gordon about him, comforting a grieving kid, who thankfully never comforted any other kids, in the 30 or so years since then, as he might not have realised it was Bruce Wayne

 

Not really. They were created before Rebels was even in the works!

The Grand Inquisitor from Season One of Rebels was then for the audience retconned so that we found out he was a Temple Guard in Season Two but the intention right from the start, was that we would find out because early Filoni interviews told us he may have appeared in TCW.

It's messy storytelling though and for something that is/was thought out before the show even aired it still sucks that nothing of it was mentioned in Season One.


I don't think they are out of place, they have a great design and it makes sense that there are guards. If public opinion of the Jedi was swaying towards the end of Season Five then it's a good thing they have guards, in case of riots.

It's a little weird though that we never see them in the films, again it's a later addition but It doesn't bother me.


Also I still need to find the Hasbro figure!


EDIT the Inquisitors were already teased in the Children of the Force episode in Season Two where Sideous is trying to find force sensitive children to build an army.

 

But these Jedi Guards apparently fought outside of the Jedi Temple or at one time all Jedi Knights wore such helmets since Kanan stumbles upon one on Malachor.

 

Well what's wrong with that?
If you have a part of the Order that specialises in fighting why wouldn't you use them in Battle?

I don't think all Jedi in the past wore helmets.

 

Darthmaul208 The whole GI reveal was pointless after he'd been killed off. While making him the Top guy who gets beat straight away, didn't make the Inquisitors like a threat at all. I also felt they missed a trick by not using Barris as the Ex-Jedi Inquisitor instead of him.

Watch Mojos Top 10 Clone Wars episodes. I don't agree with Sacrifice being N1, in fact I'm not sure I would even have it in my Top 10