*OFFICIAL THREAD* Clonetrooper/Stormtrooper Discussion

Why didn't Lucas put a few of Morrison's lines into the DVD release so it could clear up for everyone that some are Jango clones, and some are recruits?
Isn't that the most sensible way to do things?

He decided that it would be better that they were all clone recruits. Hence, they often sound the same.

 

What kinds of clones do we have.

Lagoon Trooper
Skytrooper
AT-TE Driver
Clone Pilot
Clone Commander
SCUBA Clone
Clone Commando
ARC trooper
Clone Assain
AT-RT driver
Clone with blast shield
Scout Clone

 

Will we see ARC Troopers in Episode III?

 

Nope. But there is the "Clone Commander" which looks pretty damn close.

 

neat

 

We'll only see regular clonetroopers and maybe a shocktrooper or two.
Wondering what the hell a shocktrooper is? Well then take a gander here:
http://img157.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img157&image=shocktrooper017ss.jpg

 

According to the vd we will ARCs in ROTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

For one the back story of Han Solo is he was in the emperial army he was a failed stormtrooper that was kicked out because he refused to do something. So that ends the stormtroopers being clones right there. As for why they change from clone troopers to human soldiers is beyond me. And im sure we will see in the last movie.

 

In the eu, there is a mix of clones and non clones for Stormtroopers. In the films, they're all clones.

 

Is it just me...or does the Republic Army seem too personalized by the time of ROTS???

From what I've seen in the VD scans, clonetroopers and their commanders have each personalized their armor in some fashion, and all speak and think differently.

This is a problem for me due to the fact that during ROTS we're supposed to think of clonetroopers as evil automotons aren't we?
Not as noble soldiers like in AOTC or the 'Clone Wars' cartoon series.

 

What are the new clone/stormtroopers called? I've heard the title shocktrooper but does that apply to all of them, or just the ones with the red and white markings?

When do they recieve their new helmets? I was wondering if they recieve them near the beginning, middle, or end of the war. I wonder this mainly because they are the face of the war, and I wonder if when thinking of them they imagine the first helmet design, or the cross between stormtrooper and clonetrooper design.

Why are these so customized yet the stormtroopers are so alike? There aren't too many types of storm trooper aside from Snow, Scout, Sand, and some other EU stuff. With these, they have commanders, ARCs, scouts, BARCs, commander cody's special design, baccaras design, and some other new ones you can see on the visual dictionary page. Are there other highly customized stormtroopers?

 

My guess is that the CloneTroopers BECOME the StormTroopers. They just put on slightly different outfits for some reason.

But remember that a lot of time passes inbetween ROTS and ANH so all the new StormTroopers are probably just regular recruits from around the universe who either want to work for the Empire or are drafted.

The Clones will age just as anyone else would and they retire or die to be replaced by ordinary folks. Sure there are Rebels who hate the Empire, but in a universe as large as the SWU there are probably more than enough people who want a job and working for the Empire probably has a good pension plan, 401K, and benefits.

 

"The Clones will age just as anyone else would and they retire or die to be replaced by ordinary folks."

Yeah, except that they age twice as fast as ordinary folks due to accelerated growth - i.e. the full grown clonetroopers in AOTC were actually only 10 years old. This would mean that the clones in ROTS will be the equivalent of a 60-year old by the time of ANH.

Also, in the novel Labyrinth of Evil which immediately precedes ROTS, the Republic are running out of clonetroopers. And James Luceno, the author, supposedley had inside info from the ROTS script.

This all backs up the argument that stormtroopers aren't clones, or at least are a mix of clones & conscripts.

 

And what of the sources? Apparently, according to the Visual Dictionary and Incredible Cross-Sections, the Republic already started accepting recruits and using other sources in the Clone Wars.

Not sure I approve of the volenteers idea during the Clone Wars (hard to distinguish, especially if they are all collectivly still 'Clone Troopers'. Cant see non-clones liking that), and I dont mind the academy thing post-war coz the Empires there and its expected.

Starting with new sources is alright though. On the ARC-170 page in ICS, it says that Obi-Wan and Anakin lead Squadron 7, made up of Fett Clones. Who elses Clones would they be? There was only one source up until the outbreak of the war, and even if the new sources were used right after Geonosis, these clones would only have a physical age of 6. They probably would be put into military action until AT LEAST 5 years post Clone Wars ('aged 16'), if not 7 ('age 20', like the originals).

Also, it mentions that when clones retire they sometimes work as Coruscant ground crew. What clone is actually old enough to have chance to retire? They are only physically 26 at most.

Im hoping Ep III features only Jango clones. I dont mind the personalisation. The rag-tag army look is quite good, before its dragged back into the uniformity of the Empire. Shows a bit of independance though, which some peple would argue isnt right. I dont agree. Clones are better than droids because of their ability to think. They are just more respectful to authority than the average human and therefore there's no mutany.

Ive also always held the view that recruits are any Imperial Officers, or 'Death Star Troopers' (which I believe to be the lowest rank a recruit can hold). Anyone in white is a clone. The original Visual Dictionary showed a 'recruit's pauldron'. So recruits do sometimes wear white armour, but always with a pauldron to distinguish them. Which we never see in the movies except in Mos Eisly. This I thought was because there was no leaders there and they were not on Imp terretory, and so needed someone non-clone to lead them (all other stormtroopers in the movies are on the Death Star/Star Destroyer, Endor bunker or led by Vader on Hoth/Cloud City). Now Im more inclined to think they might be ARCs, be they Fett clones or other source with specialised training, based on the original Fett's ARC training program, on Mos Eisly. Similar idea (someone more than average clone to lead), but perhaps fits in better with the movie canon.

There again, perhaps it wont.

May or may not have gone into too much OT detail there. Hope not. I kept it linked to the clones.

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ROTS will feature Jango clones. The OT won't make mention of it, naturally. It'll be assumed that they're still clones, either of Jango or someone else, by general audiences. Those who don't spend hours reading up on Star Wars lore. The non-fiction material is just for those who want to know more about the films and why they didn't sound like Jango in the OT.

 

Quote from the visual dictionary, to clear a few things up:

'Aging at twice the rate of normally birthed humans, only two-thirds of the original army of clone troopers are alive. Clones are also being grown on other worlds, with cells procured from new templates'

The kaminoans could of been cloning other people from the start, meaning they could be ready for service in the war. Lama su said there was 'a million more well on the way'.

The clones become personalized because of the jedi, they requested that the clone leader be given names, so it was easier to communicate in battle.

 

"The non-fiction material is just for those who want to know more about the films and why they didn't sound like Jango in the OT."

Lol. Suppose so. The fact they never sounded like Jango didn't bother me much. Wish I know how many clone sources there are by the time of Ep IV, and who they are though. That would be good.

"'Aging at twice the rate of normally birthed humans, only two-thirds of the original army of clone troopers are alive. Clones are also being grown on other worlds, with cells procured from new templates'"

You expect to die aged 26 do you?

I interperate that sentance as 'clones age twice the normal speed' and 'two-thirds of the original army are still alive'. To assume that the other third died of old age at the age 13 (clone physical age 26) is just stupid.

After a three-year war I would actually expect more than a third of that army to be dead. However, lets not forget they will have been replaced by newer clones when they come of age.

"The kaminoans could of been cloning other people from the start, meaning they could be ready for service in the war. Lama su said there was 'a million more well on the way'."

I find that highly unlikely, seeing as how much fuss the Kaminoans and Dooku put over Jango, Im sure some other guy would have got the same treatment. He meant a million more Fett clones. There's no limit to the number of clones you can get from one guy you know. Plus why shell out for two sources, why you already have one perfect source for an infinate supply (so long as the original source remains alive). I think cloning clones would be dumb, (its like reproducing with a close family member kinda: too much chance of something going wrong) and the cloners would need to get other sources after Jango's death.

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I don't know why people get so confused on this matter. I was reading both the VD and ICS and it explains about this transition. Firstly in VD it states that Jango Fett isn't only clone template being used. Added to this the whole issue of Clones personalising there armour can be easlily addressed. In the OT we only see a small number of stromtroopers in certain no of planets, maybe on Corsucant all the Stormtroopers are Red like the Shocktroopers,this could be true for different legions stationed in different locations. Elite units could be similar, we never actually see them in OT, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.There is really good Clue in the Start of VD which shows a standard clone based on the Destroyers clad in all white armour. We only ever see these in the original triology never any ground based legions.
In realation to the acadmies these created to create officer class for the empire, i wouldn't be surprissed that really outstanding officers are picked as templates for next generation clones.
In the Ics on the section to deal with arc Fighter it states that certain volunters will be used as the next clone templates for pilots and be clad in black flightsuits.

 

"Firstly in VD it states that Jango Fett isn't only clone template being used. Added to this the whole issue of Clones personalising there armour can be easlily addressed."

So youre gunna put a clone physically 6 years old into battle are you?

Didnt understand what you said about Destroyers. And Ive read all 4 VDs from cover to cover.

The rest is basically my view on the matter also, except some people seem to forget that clones take time to grow and get into action, and others over think about it and they screw their own ideas of the timelines up.

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The Republic #74 comic has a pretty cool-looking clone variant with a Snowtrooper-style mask, if anyone's interested. EU, but cool if you like clones.

 

In the film, Temurea (sp) Morrison appears as Commander Cody and several other Clonetroopers. Bodie Taylor plays the newer batch of Clonetroopers. Morrison uses his voice for both sets of clones.

 

The non-fiction material is just for....

Back up.

Non-Fiction? I think we're losing perspective here, it's all fiction right?

Anyway, Lucas has always intended for the Stormies of the OT to be clones, he even calls them Stormtroopers on the AotC commentary, and references clones of Jango in ANH.

The whole point of that story arc in AotC was to introduce the Strormtrooper army we all know from the OT.

 

On a tangent, I thought Han Solo was in pilot training; not Stormtrooper training...

 

The Republic #74 comic has a pretty cool-looking clone variant with a Snowtrooper-style mask, if anyone's interested. EU, but cool if you like clones.
Ah, I thnik they're the Mygeeto clones in ROTS with CDR Bacara (TCK-1138)under General Mundi's command.

I regularly collect "SW:Republic" btw.

So, are EPIII clones really designated as "TCK" or still "TC"?

EDIT: I personally like the look of the Felucia clones, CDR Bly being a favorite since he's under General Secura's command. The squad all look like ARCs.

 

Oh yeah. CDR Bly is the trooper with the yellow "beard" on is helmet and cool visor in case people get confused. In the EPIII VD and Scrapbook, the regular Felucia clone in the pics is definitely not Bly.