Official thread: hey wait a minute, a Jedi doing force choking???

I was just watching ROTJ after a while and I noticed that Luke aplies a force choking on a Gamorrian Guard in Jabba's Palace!

Now I thought it was somewhere mentioned by GL or it was said somewhere that only Sith do the lightning and the force choking!

Is this further prove to my theory that in ROTJ Luke is neither Sith nor JEdi but a balance of both????

 

What was he supposed to do: tap them on the shoulder and ask nicely to be let through?

Seriously, I don't know. Even though Yoda said he wouldn't be a Jedi until he faced Vader, I'd say, for all intents and purposes, he's a Jedi. The choke being solely a Sith thing...I don't know about that, either. He's battling the Dark Side inside, so I guess he might exhibit what isn't exactly "Jedi-like" behavior.

 

I imagine all Force users have access to all the Force powers.

 

Well Luke wasn't a Jedi. I think the Force choke was meant to show a tie between him and his father.

 

"What was he supposed to do: tap them on the shoulder and ask nicely to be let through?"

Daughter_Of_TheForce, good one, hehehehe.

"The choke being solely a Sith thing...I don't know about that, either. He's battling the Dark Side inside, so I guess he might exhibit what isn't exactly "Jedi-like" behavior. "

Yes he shows lots of things that are not Jedi-like all the time. Like when he threatens Jabba (free us or die!, or something like that) that's a lot of things a true Jedi wouldn't do.

Padme Bra, I agree with you.

I think this all kind of points out that Luke was following a path smiliar to Anakin to become a Sith, but at the end he is redempted when he won't try to kill the emperor.

 

Also, who's to say it's a full Force choke? I maintain what I've always said, that Luke didn't kill them, but merely rendered them unconcious.

 

Yeah it's not like he was full of anger and all that.

 

Correct, Luke did not kill the Gamorreans.

 

Why wouldn't he kill those two guards if he killed like a dozen more of guardians a bit later in the movie? and as I said before, he even made a serious thread to Jabba. (free us or die stuff).

 

I think he spared those guards because he made his point. As far as why he threatened Jabba, he was in a situation where it was kill or be killed.

 

[Space Balls] What the hell are you doing? ***The Vulcan neck pinch?*** No, no, no, idiot, you've got it way too high. It's more down here where the shoulder meets the neck.***Like, this?***Yeah!...THUD [/Space Balls]

 

Luke didn't kill the guards because they weren't a threat to him. On Jabba's sail barge he had to kill the minions or be killed himself.

 

I don't know, Im not fully convienced just yet, hehe. For example I think QuiGon would have got out of the whole situation in a more graceful intelligente way. Well after all the whole plan to rescue Han was very ilogic since the begining (sending Lando to pretend to be "a bad guy", sending the droids as a gift, sending poor chewie as a bounty hunt). QuiGon would have gone there directly without getting everyone into trouble, hehe.

 

Luke isnt a sith, or a Jedi.

Remember. He is the one who is going to bring Balance To The Force . so, he can use both sides. Im sure he is supposed to use both sides of the force.

As many things in SW , george has a meening with almost everything. So, I think this is the way for him to show that he realy is the one who will bring balance.

 

Using the Force to attack in any way is supposed to be of the Dark Side. But Luke never had anyone to really train him after he left Yoda. I always assumed he didn't really think about it, or why he shouldn't do it. He just found he could do it, so it seemed like a good idea. Which was why he came so close to submitting to the Dark Side. He turned out alright in the end though.

 

I thought it rather odd myself when I saw that scene. I'd imagine that since Luke had a crash course in Jedi 101, that certain guidelines were overlooked. He never had the guidance that came with being a Padawan, and therefore had no one to show him the ropes. Most of his experiences were akin to on the job training. He comes close to the dark side several times, but manages to regain his composure and back down.


I think Han Solo summed it up best with his "delusions of grandeur" comment when he is reunited with Chewie.

 

Actually, it begs the question where he learned how to do it. Did Yoda teach it to him? Obi-wan most certainly did not. It doesn't seem that the Jedi can just pick up how to do stuff out of the blue. I only say that because of things that happen in A New Hope, plus in Empire. It could be that after Yoda shows him that with the Force, you can even raise an X-wing filled with water. Such an action gets Luke playing around with what else is possible. But why he would play around with choking someone isn't really very clear if that is the case.

 

I think it's also used to show the parallels between Luke and Anakin.

 

I'm with you, Onnie. Where the heck did he learn it? Did he witness Vader doing this at some point? I think not. Yoda sure as heck wouldn't have taught him this little trick. I think that he is fooling everyone! He wants to be a Sith, and at the end of ROTJ he destroys all of his friends and rules the galaxy single handedly with a force choke!!!

Just kidding.

 

Force choking Gamorians, hacking down Weequays, what's the difference? He was using the powers to save his friend from an evil gangster. I'm not sure GL's definition of the dark side (when he filmed ROJ) was as rigid as EUs.

EDIT - Luke is the one who is going to bring Balance To The Force.

*high-fives Overlord* Good to hear I'm not the only one who thinks that. Now, there are three of us.

 

I've always felt that this gives you a glimpse of just how much Luke was toying with the Dark Side at that point. It makes it all the more powerful that he chose the good side and also gives credibility to the fact that he might possibly resort to dark side tacticts when in came down to it.

 

sergejg its actually called "Force Grip".

 

Hey I think Luke brings balance too. I always thought that was supposed to mirror Vader didn't Mark Hamill comment on how Luke's suit looks alot like Vader's and Lucas was like "that's the idea". He's supposed to be following his father.

 

Like Father, Like Son. Only Luke was not hell bent on killing people.

 

"Luke isnt a sith, or a Jedi.

Remember. He is the one who is going to bring Balance To The Force ."

Oops, one of those people again!


"Where the heck did he learn it?"

How hard could it be? If you can throw objects, why can't you squeeze someone's throat?
It's not like it's Force Lightning.