**OFFICIAL THREAD** Yoda vs. Darth Sidious v3.0

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  1. AnakinBrego Jedi Master

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    Yoda falls to the ground, he could of easily jumped back up to Palpatine and continued, the fight was no defeat! Yoda bested Palpatine by deflected Palpatines lightening back at him, over powering him! So then why did Yoda think he lost? They both fell backwards! To end the fight Palpatine should have just bested Yoda in fighting him with a lightsaber, and have Yoda outmatched and then flees from the fight, realizing he's no match for Palpatine!
  2. LordVader66 Jedi Master

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    Yoda runs away from Sidious because he knows it's only a matter of time before Sidious kills him. Sidious is more powerful than Yoda so he can kill him. Yoda just didn't give him the oppertunity to continue the duel.
  3. RebelScum77 Manager Emeritus

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  4. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    What angers me every time about these Yoda vs. Sidious arguments is how much of a free ride Yoda always gets, even though he lost. They try to make excuses like, "He was dominating...just..."

    Well, if Yoda dominated the sword fight tactically, but could not kill Sidious, then he was a moron strategically.

    If Yoda was more powerful in the force than Sidious, then why did he let the man who would torture and kill so many later on live?

    Why, if Yoda had such a blatant advantage, why couldn't he get the job done?

    Either he was not as powerful than Sidious, or he was a moron, because there was very very much at stake.

    Too much credit is given to Yoda, and not enough to Sidious.

    If you take you guys' side, and say that Yoda is more powerful, then it casts Yoda in an even more unfavorable light.

    There is nothing more pathetic in a warrior than being unable to press home a natural advantage and gain the victory. Thus, given every advantage he failed to use it, and failed as a warrior. On the flip side, there is nothing greater than to defeat a more powerful opponent through cunning and intelligence, thus Sidious would be a truly great master of fighting.

    If Sidious was an intelligent enough of a fighter that he outsmarted a more powerful opponent, then that gives him even more of an advantage than brute force ever could. If everything Sidious did kept him off balance, then you see there what a real tactician can do in real life.

    The loser doesn't get credit if he comes in with more power. Winning a battle against someone who is more powerful than you is a greater accomplishment than defeating someone who is of lesser or equal strength. Thus, if Yoda was more powerful and still lost, then Sidious was still the greater warrior.

    Not that I believe Sidious was of lesser strength. I believe he was more powerful.
  5. LordVader66 Jedi Master

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    How is this battle an arguement?


    ROTS Novel:

    Yoda has no shot to win. Before he was born he had lost this fight. The Sith were simply unstoppable.
  6. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    There is a diffrence between loosing and failing. Yoda failed to kill the sith. Hence why he saids, he failed. But he did not loose a fight.

    Loosing is getting your torso chopped off and then getting lit on fire, loosing is getting your hand chopped off and then thrown back 50 feet, loosing is getting your head chopped off, leaving because you realise that only the chosen one can defeat Sidious...is not loosing.

    Yoda did not lack the power to defeat Sidious. He "failed" simply because because the prochecy states that only the chosen one can bring balance to the force (killing Sids).

  7. -Master_Yoda- Jedi Knight

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    No message posting / log-in for about a year, and this thread is still going... AWESOME!



    Disappears into the Jedi Archives to find out what else is still going.....
  8. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Whats the cause and effect there then?

    That makes absolutely no sense. In what way did the Prophecy make it impossible to kill Sidious? Huh?

    Unless the Force actually made itself manifest in the Senate room and stopped Yoda itself, then the only reason you could believe Yoda lost is because Sidious was a better warrior than he was.
  9. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    Not impossible to kill Sids. Impossible for anyone BUT Anakin to kill Sids.

    Killing Sidious would bring balance back to the force, and the prochecy states that only the chosen one can bring balance back to the force. Meaning that only Anakin can kill him, not Yoda, not Mace, not the entire order put together, only Anakin.

    Not because Yoda or Mace lacked the power to defeat him, destiny just wouldn't allow it to happen.
  10. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Then how is that different from him being actually defeated? Except that he has a lame excuse for his defeat now...

    It seems to me, that the only possible interpretation of it is that Sidious defeated Yoda, and that it was predestined. Plain and simple.
  11. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    It's failure. Losing is diffrent than failure.

    Yoda failed at his objective..to kill Sids.

    Sids failed at his objective..to kill Yoda.
  12. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Sidious objective was to live and go on to rule his Empire. Which he did. I don't see that as a failure.


    At the very least it is a slightly less satisfying victory.
  13. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    It was also Sidious's goal to kill the jedi. Yoda is a jedi last time I checked.

    "If the Jedi are not all destroyed, it will be civil war without end." quote from Sidios
  14. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Yes, Sidious was upset that Yoda survived, but he was also content to have troopers kill off Yoda.

    He wanted Yoda dead, but he did not seek Yoda out for battle, and as such, it seems trivial to assign objectives to a man who is attacked in his own office.
  15. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    So he did not care whether he survived or not?
  16. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    No, did you read my post?

    He cared that he survived, but he would not consider winning the physical battle a failure.

    He was blatantly attacked in his own office, and I am sure he wasn't upbraiding himself for not delivering the finishing blow to a combatant who was one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy and had fled in terror.
  17. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes, I read your post. But I felt like asking anyway.

    True however, as the battle progressed, I'm sure he made it an objective to kill him. And I don't think he really trusted some clone troopers to kill someone who even he attempted to run away from.

  18. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Well, the clonetroopers had killed a good chunk of the Jedi Council, and eventually their numbers would have overwhelmed Yoda himself.

    Either way, it was safer for Palpatine.
  19. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    With the jedi countil it was diffrent. They were not expecting the attack.

    Yoda did not seem to have trouble defeating the Clones at the entrance to the temple. And there were quite a few. Would be more difficult without a saber, but no reason why he wouldn't be able to pull it off.

    Really though, it's not a win or lose for either won. Neither killed each other. They both fought like the top of their game.

    Both of them are on a diffrent level then everyone else. Yoda disarms Sidious of his saber and pushed harder in every force lock, Sidious threw several pods at the same time, Yoda dodged them, and sent one back. Sidios disarmed Yoda, and threw lightning at Yoda, and he blocked it.

    In the long run however, Yoda turned out victorious.
  20. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    What do you mean it wasn't win or lose? Yoda fell and hit splat on the ground. That looked like it hurt, real bad.

    Not to mention, he failed in his duty to protect the Republic and millions of people suffered for it. Then he went to Swampworld and ate Top-A-Ramen for 20 years.

    Meanwhile Palpatine was hanging out with K-Fed at the Imperial Palace and having Mani/Pedis all day, drinking Smoothies, and watching Woody Allen movies.
  21. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    And Yoda was supposed to protect an entire galaxy by himself?

    Had Sidious not had that bar to hold onto, Sidious would have fallen on his ass as well. Again, heres a perfect example of how the force comes into play.
  22. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Yeah, he was the Grand Master of an Order whose stated purpose was to protect the Galaxy. So, yeah, I think killing a tyrant who wished to take over the galaxy falls into that jurisdiction.
  23. ticopuma Jedi Grand Master

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    True, true, but you can't blame it soley on him. He had other people who gave him suggestions and their opinions. And everything wasn't ALWAYS his call.

  24. thebadge Force Ghost

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    Yep
  25. OBIJUAN76 Jedi Knight

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    Yep...
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