OK, maybe I'm way off base here....

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Cetera, Sep 5, 2002.

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  1. John of the collective Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Sep 15, 1998
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    Dark Lady MAra, I agree and understand, but when it isn't the first time....

    Personally as I said way back in the beginning, I think we have TOO MANY rules here, but if we are going to have them, then they had better be enforced across the board.
    I would think if LMM is being persecuted moreso then others that the mods would look into that as well and take APPROPRIATE action instead of letting inapropriate action continue to take place.
  2. wadda_u_know Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Jun 29, 2000
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    I would love to see this matter being "discussed". I can just picture the "heated debate" taking place to decide what should be "done" about LMM.

    [face_plain]

    Please, does anyone really think anything will come of this?
  3. Cetera Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Mar 29, 2000
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    Once upon a time, Jasman had this to say in this thread (and if Jasman isn't a respected mod of old, I don't know who is):

    http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=4777674&start=4795167

    I am so sick of this idea of someone "goading" someone else into doing anything. No one is responsible for anyone's actions but his own. Provocation is a fallacy. The entire concept of provocation was invented by someone who didn't want to take responsibility for his actions.
    --- Jasman

    Too, Dark Lady Mara, I understand that being a mod of this place isn't easy, and takes a lot of time. LMM and his banner were not even the main focus of the original post in this thread. It was just another example of what I thought was a problem that was creating rifts between regular members and mods.

    It has turned into something totally different mostly because of the actions of one mod in particular, LMM. It can't be denied by anyone here that he as acted inappropriately. It was pointed out early on that I may have as well. So I admitted it, apologized for it, and moved on, seeking the same from LMM. It has not been forthcoming.

    If at some point the mods of the JC feel that I should suffer some kind of reprimand or banning because I typed a potential flame, so be it. I'll not argue. I did type the words, they were mine, and I will take responsibility for my actions. I at least can take my medicine like a man.

    IMHO, LMM has done far worse than I have, has not apologized, and has continued to make a mockery of the whole process. IMHO he should no longer be a mod, ever. I think these circumstances alone warrant it, not to mention his antics in other threads that have been posted by other members. But that is just my opinion, and not for me to decide. And if I am banned, he damn well better be too.

    I understand the mods are working on this, and a final resolution may take some time. Just also be aware that it is not just me that has the problem with LMM. And also remember that I am not the only one that has been cynical or gruff in this thread. It appears that there have been numerous issues of mod vs. reg here in the not so distant past. I certainly did not intend to start anything this big. I was merely wanting decent relationships between mods and posters, and accountability for all. The fact that there was this huge blow-up suggests to me that you may want to take a good hard look at all the mods, and your policies in general. Quite obviously, there are more than a few people who feel that the system has been taken advantage of at their expense.
  4. Just_A_Slacker Jedi Youngling

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    Aug 4, 2001
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    The mods wanted the job, they got it. That ban button means you have to put up with people.

    That said, it also means you have to play by the same rules you are there to enforce. A bad day is not an excuse to blatently violate those same rules.
  5. Just_A_Slacker Jedi Youngling

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    Aug 4, 2001
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    Please, does anyone really think anything will come of this?


    No. They will claim it is being discussed behind closed doors and will need time. Once it has faded from this thread, it will be forgotten and anyone who asks about it will be accused of DRAMA!

    Same as pretty much every other violation of the rules by a mod.
  6. John of the collective Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Sep 15, 1998
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    Unless you're Preacherboy.


    Top Men are working on it right now!

    Who?
    Top Men!
  7. legacyAccount Jedi Youngling

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    May 22, 2012
    call me an eternal optimist, but maybe they'll finally get it.

    let's not criticize their decision until they make one.
  8. John of the collective Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Sep 15, 1998
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    Agreed, but if there was ever an oppertunity to use that Raiders Quote in context it was right there

    (Well except that there are a number of female mods, but I trust they understood the nature of the quote)
  9. YODA the all powerful Moderator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Oct 5, 1998
    star 4
    The more things change, the more they stay the same apparently.

    What always got me by as an Admin here was to realize that most of the problems one encounters with other users boils down to the inherant problems with how we can communicate in this environment. Phsycologist/Sociologists/etc have done studies proving that the majority of human communication is accomplished through non-verbal (or non-written) body language. We may try to compensate here with things like different font styles, colors or smilies, but that assumes the definition of those things are universal, and they are not.

    What I am rambling on about, is just to say that you should not pretend to know the "thoughts" or "motivations" behind what other people write on a message board. The more you try, often, the further you get from the true intention of the author.

    In other words, what is a flame, what is not a flame, boils down to one's point of view. Arguing over the identification of a flame is usually a lesson in frustration and futility.

    I can't believe alcohol discussions are banned now... half of the old Admins would have been banned after their first week! :D
  10. jediguy Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jun 10, 2000
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    "Is someone attacking your creative efforts right either? NO.

    BYOB has said that he encourages people to be able to take criticism for their creative efforts in stride, and not to be thin skinned about it.
    I say that his comments back to those people are just the same thing. If you are going to say that he can't be upset about those things, then noone can be upset by things he said either. "


    It would be best if you didn't take this issue out of context. People are allowed to defend themselves when being attacked. However, you seem to be confusing 'being attacked' with 'justifiable criticism'. In any case, whether he was 'attacked' or not, the immature and banworthy response made by LMM is the real issue here. I have seen many friends on this board being banned or demoted for a lot less, and the administration needs to have a good, hard look at their response to this.
  11. Gay-LenKenobi Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Sep 20, 2000
    star 5
    I was under the impression that the "precendent" was set about the procedure when dealing with an admin who is out of line. That precendent was 'Ban first, discuss further action, make decision, then contact with decision.' Infact, I thought that was the policy with all members. What happened to that?
  12. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    Mar 8, 2001
    star 6

    You know what's wrong with this thread right now? No one paid any attention at all to my suggestion to just drop this for a while and let the Administration address this, as we have been assured that they are doing. When a resolution is reached, we will know, and we can act accordingly when the time comes. Until then, we're just running in place while the mods do their thing. I vote that we all just sit down and relax for a while. Drinks are on me.

    Can I say that?

    AYBABTU?

  13. Cetera Jedi Knight

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    Mar 29, 2000
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    I suppose you can say it until they ban you for it. That last big post of mine was pretty much me trying to give one last summary, and wind everything up. As you'll notice, I haven't actually posted to this nearly as much as I was yesterday. It pretty much is in mod/admin hands now.
  14. citizen-tom Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    May 20, 2002
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    Drinks are on me.

    naw, you can't say that, it's alcohol. you might end up passed out on a couch. ;)
  15. Dan Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Mar 15, 1999
    star 6
    FORCEBOAT = 48 hour ban

    vs.

    Arrogance, ignorance & spam!
    OMG LMM stop! You've you've
    gone too far! This madness
    cannot and will not continue! [image=http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/lmall/LMM2.jpg]
    Butbutbut all I want to do
    is create a banner or two
    and talk about Star Wars!
    Is that so wrong?! [image=http://www.euts.org/userpics/madrox.jpg]
    Technically, no. But if you
    arouse the suspicions of
    certain individuals you
    will be found out! [image=http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/lmall/LMM2.jpg]
    What the heck are you
    talking about? [image=http://www.euts.org/userpics/madrox.jpg]
    I dunno. Pretty pointless
    isn't it? Like page 5 of
    this thread! [image=http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/lmall/LMM2.jpg]
    Right yes I agree.
    What's for dinner? I got a laugh out of it. :D I love you too, Cetera. *yawn

    You guys are boring. Oops did I just flame as well! :eek: Yes it's great to be me.

    Is there anything we haven't addressed yet, such as my bad breath or have we covered just about everything? Darth_AYBABTU is right. These outrageous displays by me can only lead to pain and suffering.
    I apologize if I've hurt anyone's feelings.

    [image=http://www.xs4all.nl/~sutpmar/img/love.jpg]
    Love

    exciting and new

    come aboard

    we're expecting youuu


    [image=http://www.loveboatcruise.com/logo1.jpg]
    I have made this issue insanely simple for the intelligence-impaired. My FORCEBOAT! gets a 48 hour ban, what do you think this should get? I think the answer is quite obvious.

    That is all for now. I really just wanted to put this situation in perspective before I left the thread. It really is up to the administration now. If it doesn't turn out as it should, then we'll have a right to bitch about it. Until then, I'm out./>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>
  16. Shimmergloom Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Mar 28, 1999
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    1. qui-gon and obi-wan are arriving in secret, so they travel in a old decommissioned republic vessel to naboo, with ric olie as the captain.
    2. 3Po takes the place of tc-14 as the trade fed's liason.
    3. the trade fed are the guys we see in rotj traveling with palpy.
    4. When all hell breaks loose on the trade fed ship, the jedi must fight through the hanger to get back to the ship, including obi wan using the force to hurl his lightsaber at one of those droid starfighters cutting it in two. I'd keep the whole melting blast doors part though.
    5. When going to naboo from the trade fed ship, they must land in the swamp, because the invasion is in full swing at that point.
    6. qui-gon and obi-wan run into the jar jar character(insert whatever new name here) in the swamp with the other gungans fighting the droids. After saving him and his comrades, jar jar agrees to take the jedi underwater to the other side of theed, where they can sneak into the city.
    7. The naboo put up a fight vs the trade fed. All the way into the palace, and into amidala's throne room where at least one handmaiden dies protecting sabe.
    8. There is no panaka, instead sabe is the captain of the guard in addition to being the decoy queen.
    9. After being rescued by the jedi(who kill all the droids except 3po who was escorting them, they drag him along since he'd have info on the trade fed invasion that could be used in the senate)they must go through the sewers to escape the city and get back to ric and his ship. The sewers would look exactly like the trash compactor from anh. And padme would show that leia spirit during the ordeal.
    10. They leave naboo, R2 makes his entrance much the same as in tpm, only he's working on the republic ship, not a queen's ship. Same deal, they have to make a stop on tatooine for repairs.
    11. Cut to coruscant, maul and palpy, the scene we see on tpm continue's into a hanger where we see maul's ship. Palpy gives maul a few bits of sith wisdom, including the secret on how to remain hidden from the jedi. Maul mentions that if the information from their meditation chamber(and we'll see one similar to vader's from esb in the background) is correct, that the jedi will be found on tatooine.
    12. we see maul depart.
    13. arriving on tatooine for repairs, quigon, padme, r2 and 3po(as an Interpreter) go into the city, while obi-wan and the gungan begin repairs with ric olie. They go to watto's shop, where republic credits are fine(mind trick works). Watto allows anakin(11) to go to the ship to help with repairs, during the day, which will take a few days total.
    14. meanwhile on the ship, an obi-wan/rabe romance blossums.
    15. nearing completion of repairs, maul arrives on tatooine and begins his search for the jedi and the queen.

    14. repairs are nearly finished, anakin is coming back with quigon, r2, 3po and padme, to help with the final repairs
    15. Maul attacks. He takes out 3po, knowing 3po would have information that would aid the naboo. A duel takes place between quigon and maul, that is much longer than the one we see. padme is unable to get back to the ship. quigon signals to obiwan for them to take off while they can.
    16. maul seeing them leave, summons his ship and leaves in pursuit. padme, quigon, r2 and the remnants of 3po are trapped on tatooine with anakin.
    17. knowing he cannot lose maul in open space without a hyperdrive fully repaired, ric does some fancy manuevering near the surface of tatooine. This is the big chase scene of the movie, and takes place of the pod race. maul pursues them through beggar's canyon, a jawa encampment, and into mos espa itself. obiwan and jar jar complete repairs and ric makes his way to open space, where they jump into hyperspace.
    18. The party arrives on coruscant. Palpy of course senses that sabe is the fake queen, and therefore there is nothing that can be done in the senate.
    19. obiwan appeals to the jedi council to allow him to go back to tatooine for quigon and the others. We see Dooku on the council(he is completely good at this point). Yoda denies the request, and d
  17. citizen-tom Jedi Grand Master

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  18. Gay-LenKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    Sep 20, 2000
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    It would appear that he is taking advantage of the fact that spamming isn't a bannable offense in this thread.
  19. Cetera Jedi Knight

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    I think there may be another, hidden meaning in there as well. It appears to be a re-write of TPM, possibly illustrating his opinion on having Dooku included in LMM's TPM banner in the first place.
  20. AlienAcid Jedi Grand Master

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    Nov 27, 2000
    star 6
    That is just his view on TPM or how it should be like LMM did with the banner, nothing wrong with that.

  21. AlienAcid Jedi Grand Master

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    Nov 27, 2000
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    edit: [face_plain] [face_plain] [face_plain] [face_plain] to double posts
  22. citizen-tom Jedi Grand Master

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    May 20, 2002
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    ah, maybe I should try that too! with neat little pictures I can even talk to myself!

    EDIT--O.K. :)
  23. GriffZ Manager Emeritus

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    May 27, 2001
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    We must study that off-topic reply to find the meaning of it's off-topicness! It may just have religious subcontext that could bring about a revolution of sorts.

    EDIT: Oh, and PB has voiced his opinion on this issue, tom.

  24. Aurra_Sting Jedi Youngling

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    Jun 19, 2002
    star 1
    You forgot this one, Dan:

    Sometimes you have to break on through
    to the other spam.
    [image=http://pionet.net/~mpsvideo/jimsp.jpg]
  25. citizen-tom Jedi Grand Master

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    May 20, 2002
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    Oh, and GriffZ, I checked your profile, Moose sightings over, eh? :D
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