Speculation Ok, the Fox fanfare? Necessary or not now?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by budspencer, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Bobatron Jedi Grand Master

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    I wouldn't be surprised to see a completely new Lucasfilm logo/opening making its debut with EPISODE VII, maybe even with its own music or other sound effect. The logo we know came around at some point, then got tweaked, then tweaked again for the 3D TPM. Yes, I'm expecting this and for the movie to open with just that.
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  2. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    I think the original Pirates of the Caribbean didn't have the Disney logo in front of it. The sequels did, however.
  3. lord_eidolon Force Ghost

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    Oh good Lord. How many times are people going to bring this up? Seriously.

    The Fox fanfare won't be appearing. Get over it and move on.
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  4. moxlox Jedi Master

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    I want to see this movie please!
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  5. moxlox Jedi Master

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    With regards to the thread topic: we all know that once the first blu-ray (or whatever) is released for EP VII we will all edit the fox fanfare back in!.....

    .....I have foreseen it.
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  7. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    Maybe you won't see it at the movies, but anyone with a decent movie editor can watch it at home that way

    [edit]weird, I posted this just as the above two posts were being posted[/edit]
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  8. Tan-Wessel Force Ghost

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    It's not going to have the Disney castle sequence with "When You Wish Upon A Star..." for one simple reason: That is reserved for WALT DISNEY PICTURES (which includes Walt Disney Animation, Pixar) NOT WALT DISNEY STUDIOS aka WALT DISNEY MOTION PICTURES GROUP.

    Touchstone, Marvel and now Lucasfilm fall under Walt Disney Studios, the film production arm of the all-encompassing parent, The Walt Disney Company. Walt Disney Pictures is just like Touchstone, Marvel and Lucasfilm in that it is an imprint of WDS.

    What you'll get instead is something like: "Walt Disney Presents..." or "Disney Presents" alongside/above a new Lucasfilm logo minus the LTD in the last one...if at all. Touchstone, Marvel, Miramax/Dimension in the past never even had that. It will most likely just be a new Lucasfilm logo. The DVD/Blu-rays will have some Walt Disney logo with a castle before the movie, though since that has to do with distribution...but it still won't be the Castle-Wish Upon a Star one because again, THAT is for the Walt Disney Pictures imprint.
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  9. my kind of scum Force Ghost

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    I just fail to see how an advertisement for the film distributor (no matter how many times we've heard it as the lead in to the title theme) is really going to be missed that much. You mean to tell me once the yellow letters hit the screen, you will remember what you just heard/saw? Personally, I'll be so psyched to be seeing a sequel to ROTJ, that I won't care at all about a few notes before the title.
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  10. ThatWanFromStewjon Jedi Grand Master

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    Why?
  11. DV75 Force Ghost

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    Good point.

    I actually don't see it opening with anything but just the Lucasfilm logo - followed by the "a long time ago...." then the crawl.
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  12. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    I'm fine with it just starting with the opening crawl. There have been movies in the past that don't show a logo before they start.
  13. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    This is just flat-out wrong. The coda was written in 1953 for 20th Century Fox CinemaScope films. Alfred Newman (father of modern film score composers David and Thomas Newman, as well as uncle to musician Randy Newman) wrote both the original fanfare and the '53 CinemaScope extension.
  14. Bobatron Jedi Grand Master

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    20th Century Fox isn't letting go of it, just like they're not letting go of their "20th Century" name. The outcry about them selling their classic Hollywood element of film history fanfare to Disney just to make some STAR WARS fans slightly happy (who will undoubtedly complain about every little thing in the movie anyway) would be far greater than some fans complaining about the theme not being at the beginning of a STAR WARS movie. The Clone Wars doesn't have the theme. The video games and the EU books every neo-fan seems to consider as the holy sacred canonical "real" STAR WARS don't have the theme (however when I started reading Heir to the Empire in 1992, I hummed it.) I'm one of those fans who use to expect a STAR WARS movie when hearing that theme...well over twenty years ago. Sure I think of SW when hearing the theme but there are so many other Fox movies with the theme, and actually, with the animated camera-panning-around-the-Fox-monument opener that started in 1994 (attached to True Lies), I don't get a STAR WARS feeling because it uses the static shot (something I wondered about before the Special Editions). SW fans need to get over the box set mentality that every little thing needs to match.
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  15. BigAl6ft6 Chosen One

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    Cuz I want it that way, darn it!
  16. KED12345 Force Ghost

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    I made a quick video illustrating what the Episode VII opening would probably look like. No where near as bad as people think it may be.
  17. Panakas_Dawg Force Ghost

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    "I don't really have that much to do." - Lucas
  18. CoolyFett Force Ghost

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    People really love these movies maybe a lil too much...The Disney Trilogy will not have fox music in it.
  19. Obi-Ewan Force Ghost

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    Disney still let Paramount put their logo on The Avengers.
  20. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    In that case I stand corrected, and with a bit of research it looks like you're absolutely spot-on. The wiki entry reports:

    The Fox fanfare was originally composed in 1933 by Alfred Newman, who became head of Twentieth Century-Fox's music department from 1940 until the 1960s. It was re-recorded in 1935 when 20th Century Fox was officially established.

    In 1953 an extended version was created for CinemaScope films, first used on the film How to Marry a Millionaire, released in the same year. The Robe, the first film released in CinemaScope, used the sound of a choir singing over the logo, instead of the regular fanfare.

    By the 1970s the Fox fanfare was being used in films sporadically. George Lucas enjoyed the Alfred Newman music so much that he insisted it be used for Star Wars (1977), which features the CinemaScope version. Composer John Williams composed the Star Wars main theme in the same key (B major) as the Fox fanfare as an extension to Newman's score. In 1980 Williams conducted a new version of the fanfare for The Empire Strikes Back. Williams' recording of the Fox fanfare has been used in every Star Wars film since. Since the introduction of the CGI Fox logo, Star Wars episodes 1 through 6 (beginning with the Special Editions of the original trilogy in 1997) have used a static angle version of the new logo, to allow for the animated Lucasfilm logo to appear during the extension.

    I find the bolded portion especially interesting, and am happy to be corrected insofar as it led to my learning that little gem of knowledge.
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  21. Panakas_Dawg Force Ghost

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  22. ThatWanFromStewjon Jedi Grand Master

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    That isn't an answer - and like everybody harping on on about the Fox logo and fanfare, you are not able to answer and give a reason... because there isn't one.

    It is the most ridiculous thing to be even thinking about and is rather sad.
  23. The Hellhammer Grand Judicator of the New Film Territories

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    The Fox fanfare is necessary?
    How...I mean...just...why is that even an issue?

    We're getting a load of new movies, and of all the damn things that go along with that...the necessary thing is the 20 second corporate themesong?
    The detail overanalyzing is getting out of hand, hahaha.
  24. Panakas_Dawg Force Ghost

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  25. Saurion-Fett Force Ghost

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    its a mad house!.....a mad house!