"OMG IT TILTS" or how the Revolution might just live up to it's name

Discussion in 'Games' started by SoloCommand, Aug 23, 2005.

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  1. Drakhaon Jedi Padawan

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    Sorry dude...i just can't see that working...it's not like i'm not going to try it...but it's a big turn off...

    "The next revolution in gaming...A DVD controller!"

    *cricket*

    No thanks...
  2. Jedi_Master_Ryokono Jedi Master

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  3. Lord-Draco Force Ghost

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    They're making controllers that are alienating 3rd parties. Not just in ports, which will be near impossible with this in it's current state, but also in creating other software. For every Katamari, there are many more unique games that won't get the sales because they don't have the name Nintendo marked on them. And Katamari did well because it was a comparitively small risk for a consumer to take at $20. A price point that is ~1/3 of what next gen games are supposed to cost

    I also believe that by cutting out ports of blockbuster titles, they're alienating their fans.
  4. DarthTickle Jedi Master

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    Geez, a lot of people have been looking at pictures of the controller but couldn't be bothered to actually read how the thing works.

    It's not JUST a remote control. Does your remote control also act as a pointing device? Can it detect how it's being moved with gyroscopes? Can you connect an analog stick with two more trigger buttons to it?

    Besides, there's one reason everyone here should love it. One word: lightsaber. You swing it, your onscreen Jedi (or Sith, you evil thing) swings his lightsaber the same way you swung the controller. I cannot wait to try this thing.

    Besides, think of the other possibilities:

    FPS games: what this controller is probably best suited for. Journalists have already tried a modified version of Metroid Prime II with the analog add-on for movement and pointing the thing for aiming and said that it works better than mouse/keyboard, which works way better than a standard controller (Sony and Microsoft are still using the Dual Shock from PS1) ever will.

    Sports: swing it like a tennis racquet or baseball bat. Go through the throwing motions like a quarterback or basketball player. Two of them would make for a pretty sweet skiing game. Fishing is pretty obvious.

    SWORDFIGHTS! I can't wait till the Zelda comes out for this.

    RTS: You can use it to easily move a cursor like a mouse. Enough said there.
  5. Lord-Draco Force Ghost

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    Its still alienating 3rd party support. Nintendo doesn't have many 3rd Party developers as it is so they should be trying their VERY BEST to bring them in. However with this new controller (even if it is revolutionary), they're just taking themselves a step backwards. Not many 3rd Party developers are going to waste their time and struggle to try to port games over from the PC/360/PS3 to make it work over for the Revolution controller format.

    I mean it is a nice little device, but its not 3rd Party friendly.
  6. Reebs Jedi Knight

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    Aug 26, 2005
    The one thing I keep reading in interviews is that the controllers are "expandable".

    Meaning that, aside from the little analog stick add-on that we've seen, Nintendo could very well craft a new standard controller that uses the GC ports/plugs into the "Remote" somehow or some other madness.

    Considering the thing was just announced a little more than twelve hours ago, I think it's far too early to start forecasting doom and gloom as far as ports and stuff Draco.

    Nintendo may be taking a risk here, but they're not insane. I doubt they plan on "alienating third-parties" or making ports "near impossible".

    //patience

  7. Lord-Draco Force Ghost

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    They're already done that, with the annoucement of this controller.

  8. SomeRandomNerd Force Ghost

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    Nintendo has always been all about the exclusives; the Marios, Zeldas, Goldeneye, Rogue Squadron, Eternal Darkness... I can't think of a single stand out game on the Gamecube or N64 that was even available on other consoles, but that's probably a fair bit to do with personal taste... At the end of the day, if you want to play the same games as the other systems, then you're going to get the one that's got the technical advantage, and it's a good few generations since Nintendo's philosophy been to sell the most technically impressive console with the biggest library of games.

    Beside, cross platform releases are going to be drastically hit by the different architecture of the PS3 (Cell) and 360 (triple core), both of which are going to need some pretty specialised programming to make the most of the consoles. I think that Nintendo have managed to find a great way to compete without getting into the pissing contest of GHz, Mb, flops and pixel pipelines.

    And remember, you've got 4 Gamecube controller ports on the console too, so there's more to backward compatibility than turning the remote controller sideways and using it like a NES controller. (Albeit one that can tilt...)

    If it performs as well as the people who have had a go have said, then this is going to be awesome. I can't wait to see the kind of accessories they're going to have...
  9. Jedi_Master_Ryokono Jedi Master

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    ^ ^ ^

    interesting! four GC controller ports? okay. I've said before that I'm a Nintendo fan deep down, but now I know I'm getting one of these.
  10. kopolee11 Jedi Knight

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    Read this article if you are still skeptical. I believe it shows a good idea of how the controller is actually played. Here's another article for the possibilities.


    As a Nintendo fanboy, of course I'm ecstatic!!! :cool:
  11. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    >> interesting! four GC controller ports?<<

    Yeah- the GCN controller will be for third party game ports and playing virtual console N64 titles, as well as for playing existing GCN game discs.

    So, really, it's not alienating third party support- if the game they're making doesn't lend itself well to the higher level of "nunchuku" interactivity, or simply the genre in general not lending itself well to the design, they can just use the GCN controller and there's no worries.

    People have also said there'll likely be more tradictional controller design shells the remote plugs into, as well as a rumor of an SNES controller attachment to overcome the inabiltiy to do so with the NES-tipped remote.

    [image=http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/522/522559/igncubes-nintendo-revolution-faq-20050525023043410.jpg]

    Additionally, there has been positive feedback from a few third parties already- Sega, THQ, EA, Activision, ubisoft, etc.



    >>Does this thing use gyroscopes for it's motions sensitivity then, or is it more of a lightgun kind of system?<<

    Two thin anteneas are placed to the side of the TV which keep track of a chip in the remote. I'm assuming gyroscopic detection (for tilt and pitch) is an onboard system, unless that chip somehow can track that also.
  12. Reebs Jedi Knight

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  13. Darth-Lando Chosen One

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    I think that shell will help a lot of people get over their initial negativity of the new controller. Most people's initial reaction that I've seen is imediate dislike. This comes from people just looking at it and not realizing what it actually does though. Hopefully, this will open some people to the idea.
  14. SkyeLightrider Jedi Grand Master

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    Actually it plays right into Nintendo's strategy. What they are hoping is that this new way to play games will inspire 3rd parties so much that they'll make games for the Revolution, which are hard to port to the others

    End result: More exclusives for Nintendo, more innovation and new ideas for the industry, and the other systems will appear to be "unoriginal". At least that's Nintendo's dream.

    They way I see it, it's a radical concept that could go far, but I wonder if it's too soon. I will try it out I suppose. If I like it, screw Microsoft and Sony, bring on the Revolution.

    Or it could be like the Dreamcast: the death nail for Nintendo, they go away quietly, and for some unknown reason Sony and MicroSoft patent their own gyroscopic remote-looking controllers.

    It's happened before, and it will happen again.
  15. NewWorldOrder Jedi Knight

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    Jul 20, 2005
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    Nintendo is gonna kick ass this time around, and i cant wait to see the look on these young xbox/ps3 fanboyzzzz everywhere.(of course there still gonna claim their system is da bombz)

    Ya gotta love nintendo's attitude of "we just dont give a *#@* were gonna do what we want".

    over sony's "well we want the consumer to say i'll work more hours to afford this system etc"

    i think all 3 systems will bring something cool to the gaming world, but good ol' nintendo i think will bring alot more.

    (and who buys a nintendo for 3rd party titles[face_plain])
    Besides 3rd partys will support nintendo bigtime this time just watch.
  16. SoloCommand Manager Emeritus & GTA Coruscant Developer

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    If I was a third party developer, I'd be practically gushing to get some sort of bizzare new control idea into a Revolution game.
  17. NewWorldOrder Jedi Knight

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  18. Whizkid Jedi Master

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    Plus, even if third parties don't wanna mess with the new concept, they can still just use the shell controller that fits right over it.
  19. NewWorldOrder Jedi Knight

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  20. HotsForTahiri78 Jedi Master

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    Its' really quite funny though. 4 months ago all the rabid Nintendo bashers were saying how the "revolution" would just be something small and gimmicky like a touch-screen. Now that they know it is a true revolutionary idea, they hate on it anyway.....
  21. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    Alright. Time to way in.

    Like many of you, I have been eagerly waiting the next generation of games and systems. I watched E3 And simply felt confused by everything thing I saw, No controler fo Nintendo, the Boomerange PS3, and Velocity girl for X-box. I really had no reason to care about any of them.

    So we get more details of graphics on the 360. Core systems and full pack, yadda, yadda. Essentially a new generation. New graphics, wirless, easier online, good stuff. But still in essence what we've had this gen, but shinier.

    PS3 will have MGS4. So I will get that, if only that. Come on Nintendo, dowloading old games will be the sex, but show me what you've got. Make me believe.

    Tokyo game show. Rumors have been flying. Peter Molyenox likes the controller, THQ, Sega, EA, all love the controller. The Revolution is in the controller.

    I am absurdly excited.

    Then the revieling.

    What. The. ****.

    A remote. Ok. I have no idea whats going on anymore. Well since I'm not getting a Revolution anymore how much is a 360...

    Wait.

    My god.

    The demo video. Everything thing that it can...the possibilites...my dreams.

    Imagine.

    Lightsaber/sword combat in which you swing. Racing in which you move and you turn better. Star fox in which flipping the controller does a barral roll. Pinpoint accuracy for shooters. I can feel the game likenever before.

    I feel reminded of what that US general said about the bombing of pearl harbor, the sleeping dragon anology. But now for some reason it's been reversed and the war is digital.

    Nintendo's waking up.And it is kicking ass and taking names.

    This is what will put them back on top. The fact that they aren't afraid to take chances, and throw all the cards down.

    Nintendo isn't compeating with Microsoft or Sony now. It's not even trying. It's taking on the industry. While everyones making there things shiner and faster, Nintendo is doing something that no one could have expected. And if it works, and I am so hopefull right now, it will truely be a Revolution.

  22. HotsForTahiri78 Jedi Master

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    They are opening a whole new market, anyone see the mock-ups with a racing wheel attachment, light gun attachment, etc.?
  23. Whizkid Jedi Master

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    Soontir-Fel thats exactly how I felt.
  24. NewWorldOrder Jedi Knight

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    "Nintendo isn't compeating with Microsoft or Sony now. It's not even trying. It's taking on the industry."


    Yes! sadly some ppl will never understand that.

    as of right now the new nintendo is a no brainer for me.. getting it.

    might get a 360 as well we'll have to see.

    for me which ever gets the most SW and GTA games will be the other one i own.(i'm still happy just owning my cube since i got rid of my ps2 and xbox.So the 360 will have to knock my socks off for me to get it,and all this HD crap i don't care about. the ps3 well...
    we'll see.
  25. Darth-Lando Chosen One

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    You can view the three companies like racecars. Sony and Microsoft are just tweaking their engines, trying to get a more horespower and making their cars nice and shiny. Nintendo on the other hand, instead of supping up their existing car decided to just build an F-16 instead.

    BTW, Soontir-Fel, I love the idea of flipping the controller to do a barrel roll. As soon as I read that I grabbed my DVD player remote and stated practecing. :p
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