On Anakin's loss of visions

I couldn't find a topic like this and have been meaning to post it for days...

Through AOTC and ROTS, Anakin is shown to have a very strong prescience - Shmi and Padme's deaths.

However, in ROTJ, Vader appears to be awed by the Emperor's powers - 'I have foreseen it.'

So what happened to Anakin's ability to see the future? There's several possibilities:

1) He simply lost it when he joined the Dark Side, or due to his injuries
2) His power of vision only concerned people that he loved; and loving no one as Vader, they left him
3) He never had any such power - the visions were cast upon him by Sidious

Thoughts? Has there been anything official on the subject?

 

i think that the 3 options are possible,i just cant chose only one

 

You may actually have found a Valid plot hole. I don't think it was thought of by Lucas at the Time of ROTJ as he never even knew then he'd do the PT. the Focus of Visions was on Luke ( ESB) at that time. but good observation

 

I guess I lean toward Sidious insinuating the visions. As I've said before, I prefer a wildly powerful Sidious to a charlatan Wizard of Oz.

Perhaps Anakin would never have the power of prescience - as the avatar of the Force, it seems like he should not be able to see the workings of the Force. He is to serve as a conduit of the Force's will.

To me it makes sense that the visions should have been implanted - perhaps he saw the events and transferred his vision to Anakin, violating the Force's edict that he should not be able to see the future.

 

i agree with DUGGY.i think this could be the first "real plot hole" that i have seen so far

 

Don't worry, Lucas will be pressed for an explanation at some stage, give his answer, and then change it later on in the Super-Duper Ultimate Nerd Edition of Star Wars, coming in 2009!

 

i thought it was for 2007...

 

Well, look at it this way. In the PT, the only time we see Anakin seeing the future is when he is focusing his fear on someone he loves like Shmi or Padme. It's Anakin's fear of loss that spawned the dreams and visions.

Vader in the OT has controlled his fear.

Palpatine was always able to see the future - or one possible future. Anakin could only see the things he was most focused on.

 

ewok has an interesting point too... i agree with him...for a change

 

Well, look at it this way. In the PT, the only time we see Anakin seeing the future is when he is focusing his fear on someone he loves like Shmi or Padme. It's Anakin's fear of loss that spawned the dreams and visions.

Vader in the OT has controlled his fear.

Palpatine was always able to see the future - or one possible future. Anakin could only see the things he was most focused on.

This works well also. I'm sure this is the Angle Lucas would use to explain it. if he had to

 

Apparently, Vader doesn't sleep anymore. So visions in his dreams are no longer the case. Regular visions might be clouded for him. The ones that he had were based on fear of loss. Palpatine was afraid that Luke would destroy him, so he forsaw Luke destroying the Empire. But he didn't realize how it would happen. Just that it would happen.

 

They are probilly visions of the future.

 

That's why Yoda's admonishment to Anakin to be wary about sensing the future
is so important. And remember, Palpatine doesn't so much see the future as
much as create the future.

 

Through AOTC and ROTS, Anakin is shown to have a very strong prescience - Shmi and Padme's deaths.

However, in ROTJ, Vader appears to be awed by the Emperor's powers - 'I have foreseen it.'

So what happened to Anakin's ability to see the future? There's several possibilities:

1) He simply lost it when he joined the Dark Side, or due to his injuries
2) His power of vision only concerned people that he loved; and loving no one as Vader, they left him
3) He never had any such power - the visions were cast upon him by Sidious

Thoughts? Has there been anything official on the subject?

Yes, he had the dreams of Shmi and Padmes deaths. But since Luke or Leia didnt die, he didnt have those dreams. The absence of those dreams should have told him something also.

 

perhaps Vader did have visions? perhaps that was how he knew to get off the death star before it exploded? perhaps that's how he knew Luke was his son and a Jedi Padawan? perhaps that's how he knew by torturing his friends, Luke would try to rescue them? perhaps he forsaw that Luke would seek him out but was playing dumb with Palps on DS2?

i think an interesting ability Vader did pick up by the time of the OT was the ability to mask his thoughts/feelings much like Chancellor Palpatine was able to do with the Jedi in the PT ... it seems he's constantly plotting behind Palpatine's back and playing dumb and Sidious doesn't quite pick up on it ... of course, logically, Sidious knew something was up with Vader, but he couldn't sense the betrayal or the conflict Luke could sense ...

Perhaps Vader simply hid or masked his own visions of the future from Palpatine and because he had learned to use the dark side to cloud others visions of him, Sidious could not probe his mind for weakness as he had done with his preminitions of Padme in ROTS?

 

The book Dark Lord says that he stopped having Force visions after his accident, and as Sinister says, he sleeps rarely. He does have nightmares when he sleeps but they aren't visions.

 

Hehehe accident. Yea Vader no longer sleeps and he has nightmares when he does but not visions.

 

I think it was probably 1. As far as I've know only very powerful Force users have visions, which Vader lost when he lost most of his power after his accident.

 

Anakin was strong after the Lava bath just not as strong as he potentialy would have been had he not washed in lava. He didnt go from most potentialy powerfull Jedi ever to WAB.

 

I'm not saying he wasn't still strong, he just wasn't strong enough to recieve visions like he did before.

 

while i don't see how vader really has controlled his fear in terms of really mastering it, i'm going with that. the dreams never were visions.