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Lit One Canon - Merging Legends and the New Canon - TFA spoilers, very much so

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This would actually be an interesting idea that was missed in the prequels that Disney could follow up for the sequel trilogy.

    Ben Solo: Master Skywalker, if Jedi are supposed to be guardians of peace and justice, then why should they back the Republic only? Shouldn't they at least hear the First Order side of the story?
     
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  2. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Vos also mercy killed that Jedi; they had already poisoned themselves.

    So all he did was kill some clones, and I am unsure if he did do that from memory.

    In Legends he killed that Senator in cold blood and was accepted back. And hospitalised K'Kruhk. And murdered his aunt. So it's a bit up and down...

    If you discount the Jedi in Canon, he was worse in Legends.


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  3. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm not sure if the Jedi knew about Vos killing his aunt? They definitely knew about Senator Viento though. Considering only Vos and Dooku were there at the aunt's death, Vos could have blamed it on Dooku.

    So from the Legends' Jedi point of view, Vos only killed Senator Viento, who the Jedi later discovered was a Separatist--Although not outright stated, it seems clear to me that Vos retroactively played up the killing as helping the Republic war effort, no different from killing a military target like Grievous etc (Yeah it obviously wasn't, but it was never made clear the Jedi knew that).

    Meanwhile in canon, Vos killed a Jedi (who he mercy killed only because the Jedi activated his biological poison to defend himself from Vos' attack) and many other clones (I remember clearly he killed a bunch of clones in the novel)--to free Dooku. Going from what the Jedi know in both continuities, the Disney Jedi had far more Vos crimes that they knew about than the Legends Jedi did.

    And K'Kruhk--the Jedi probably figured if K'Kruhk wasn't permanently harmed, then what Vos did to him isn't worse than what he goes through on an average day anyway, considering how many times he's been trounced...

    And remember, Legends Vos publicly stated he was leaving the Jedi after the Clone Wars to marry Khaleen. So from Legends Jedi point of view, Vos is as good as gone anyway.
     
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  4. Vialco

    Vialco Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    In Legends, Vos confessed all his crimes to the Jedi Council. But he omitted his cold-blooded murder of Sheyf Tinte Vos. Perhaps he felt that such a brutal act would not be forgiven by the Jedi Council.
     
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  5. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, but it *wasn't* a "cold-blooded" murder - he killed her in a rage after learning that she'd fed his parents to vampires. That's why killing the clones in DD comes across so poorly. They're completely innocent victims whereas everyone else is like Anakin killing Dooku: bad, but you can understand why he did it.
     
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  6. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    Ganner Rhysode and Wurth were in charge of the Academy while Kylo Ren and the rest of the Knights of Ren indiscriminately slaughters everything in their path while Kam and Tionne went to Luke and Aphra's wedding.
     
  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    That wouldn't work on so many levels... to predate Wurth and Ganners deaths Ren would have wiped out the Jedi before the first year of the Vong War was over.

    Thanks for the novelty.


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  8. Vialco

    Vialco Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Plus The Ganner would have crushed the Master of the Knights of Ren.
     
  9. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Knight star 4

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    I'm not finished with the new Leia book, but it is definitely not One Canon friendly. Aside from the only people Leia was close to growing up being her parents (with no mention of her aunts, who have already been mentioned in canon sources, or Winter), there's several issues with Naboo, namely the moons. In Legends, Naboo has three moons: Ohma-D'un and Rori, which were mainly settled by miners and isolationist Gungans, and an unnamed third moon which was a barren oversized asteroid. Legends Naboo has only these three moons, as they can be seen in the sky while on-planet in Star Wars Galaxies.

    Canon Naboo's first mentioned moon is Veruna, which has no information on it. We can easily say this is the unnamed third moon or perhaps what the human Naboo call Ohma-D'un, which is obviously a Gungan name.

    The next moon, Onoama, the one mentioned in the Leia book, is a bit tricky. Many wealthy Naboo have second homes on Onoama, including the Queen and Moff Panaka. This can not easily conform to any of the Legends moons. The only way to make this work is to say (and I'm not sure if this is scientifically possible) that this fourth moon of Naboo has a different orbit than the other three and is on the other side of the planet and therefore is not seen in the night sky with them. Does that make sense?

    Queen Dalne is also a problem, as Kylantha in Legends was queen from 18 BBY through after Yavin. Perhaps Kylantha served non-consecutive terms.

    And then there's Panaka.
    Panaka recognizes Leia as the daughter of Padme, and is about to contact Palpatine to tell him, but he dies in a Partisan terrorist bombing. This is at odds with Legends, where Leia meets with him post-Endor. He is alive and well and does not recognize her as Padme's daughter.

    Perhaps the bomb, while still managing to kill members of his staff, merely sent Panaka into a coma. He was in unstable condition for awhile, though, with his death seemingly imminent, which is why the mainstream Alliance is angry at the Partisans for getting rid of someone close to Palpatine who was still a good man. Also, he would obviously be less likely to support a Rebellion that attempted to kill him. When he meets with Leia years later, he does not make the Padme connection, as Leia is wearing a simpler hairstyle, is no longer a teenager, and is not wearing one of Dalne's fancy Naboo dresses.

    Also, I'm not finished with the book, but it doesn't seem like canon Leia ever went to college, which in addition to contradicting Legends is just a depressing change.


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  10. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    One aside - the Panaka scene was not printed in the Warfare, but the End Notes. It could be fudgeable. However, Panaka is in Galaxies I believe too...?

    EDIT: I like the Veruna idea. Though if it was (re)named after his rule, I doubt the moon was nameless before...!


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  11. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    (spoiler for Leia book)
    I don't have the Leia book, so I'm just making retcons based on what has been said. For Panaka, maybe Imperial Intelligence, knowing Panaka was targeted by the Partisans, covered up Panaka's survival until Saw Gerrera was killed. Once Saw's death happens in Rogue One, Panaka comes out of hiding and resumes his Moff career.

    As for Panaka not knowing about Leia being Padme's daughter in the Warfare book, I can conjecture--during the time Panaka was "dead" he did some research into Leia. Bail Organa, knowing this sort of thing would happen eventually, long since had planted false info about Leia's DNA etc into the records. And she most definitely does NOT have a high midichlorian count, in case any recruiting Inquisitors happen to look into these records too. ;)

    Once Panaka saw these fake records in his research, he assumed his conclusion on Leia being Padme's daughter was a mistake (easily explained as in real life Carrie Fisher and Natalie Portman don't really have a resemblance).
     
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  12. Kev-Mas_Colcha

    Kev-Mas_Colcha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yes, Panaka is in Galaxies too, as a quest giver.

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  13. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But isn't Panaka a Moff in the Leia book, then just a Colonel in Galaxies? He survived the assassination (by One Canon) but was demoted? :eek:
     
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  14. PCCViking

    PCCViking Force Ghost star 9

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    Sounds like the Thrawn treatment from Last Command. As Pellaeon would say, Panaka was probably lucky; Vader would have summarily executed him.
     
  15. Kev-Mas_Colcha

    Kev-Mas_Colcha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well also, Thrawn by the time of Galaxies in New Canon is already a Grand Admiral but in Galaxies he's just a captain. Also in Galaxies Panaka isn't even Imperial, but still with the Naboo RSF.

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  16. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight star 4

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    *Technically* the PSFs were formally a part of the Army as of the Clone Wars. I'm sure that would continue under the Empire.
     
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  17. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm so jacuas nu the Jedi labarin is reveled to have survived order 66 in the newcanon. How are we going to explan how she survived order getting a lightsaber thow the chess
     
  18. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    No different than Adi Galia getting stabbed in Obsession in a comic and surviving.

    Comics are one of those medias where survival is easier to hand-wave.


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  19. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ok good so this would make her bad## granny
     
  20. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Jocasta survived by using a Clawdite impersonator. If they actually used this explanation in the comic book (which isn't out yet), I'd be impressed since it'd be a nice nod to TCW (where Nu was impersonated by a Clawdite).
     
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  21. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Youngling star 1

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    True that would be funny
     
  22. Kev-Mas_Colcha

    Kev-Mas_Colcha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    That's not very Jedi like...

    Then again, they did that with Clones all the time during the Clone Wars

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  23. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Maybe it was a Clawdite Jedi who insisted on sacrificing herself for Master Nu (and the Jedi order), knocking the real Nu out and putting her on a speeder on autopilot.
     
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  24. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight star 4

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    Or just staying in the library while the others escaped- serving as a distraction.
     
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  25. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Knight star 4

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    Don't Clawdites revert to their own appearance when killed?


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