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Amph One Ring To Rule Them All: The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings Trilogies + Amazon Prequel Series

Discussion in 'Community' started by -Courtney-, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Balrogs are Maiar ( Gandalf is a Maia, as was Sauron originally ). The Balrog is intelligent/self-aware, as is Smaug. The same can be said for Glaurung in The Silmarillion.

    In the book Smaug speaks verbally.
     
  2. Random Comments

    Random Comments Jedi Master star 5

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    His speech with bilbo being on of the most iconic moments of the novel, so I'd say he can speak. He's also very intelligent and another fan of riddles.
     
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  3. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The
    riddle scene between Bilbo and Gollum was very amusing
     
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    Random Comments Jedi Master star 5

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    I agree.
     
  5. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent 2017 Celebrity Deathpool Winner star 10

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    I just hope film Smaug sounds like a dragon speaking and not like, say the way the goblin king spoke. Looked like a giant, horrid monster but sounded like a very articulate orator. Not that it seemed terribly out of place.
     
  6. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    in the book, Smaug speaks to Bilbo, he will in the movie too voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch
     
  7. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Smaug is hyper-intelligent. Tolkien's Dragons are basically re-useable nukes with beyond-human AI. The words that Dragons speak are known to hypnotize and cast a spell over all those who hear, and they especially enjoy riddles and mind games. In the books, Smaug speaks to Bilbo, but Dragons are known to have influences over the mind too, so I'm not sure which direction the movies will go in.

    Also, the Balrog of Moria definitely could have spoken since he was a brother of Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Sauron, and the rest.
     
  8. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    If the Balrog was so smart, why didn't it use its wings to fly back up when Gandalf broke the bridge? :p
     
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    Random Comments Jedi Master star 5

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    Because it wasn't supposed to have wings. This is a long running argument, best not to bring it up...
     
  10. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    "And suddenly it reared itself up to a great height and its wings were spread from wall to wall."

    Case closed
     
  11. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    Smaug certainly seems able to talk in some way, having not read The Hobbit for many years I forget if it is stated exactly how he talks. By this I mean whether it is some sort of mental voice projection stemming from his Dragon ability to have a hypnotic-like power over others or if he actually moves his mouth.
     
  12. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent 2017 Celebrity Deathpool Winner star 10

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    Not having read the books but having seen the films and having read the debates:

    It appears to me the balrogs are spirits that manifest an avatar of sorts that appear to have wings. Though they are very magical beings once manifested they do tend to obey some form of physics so that they at least need room or a running start to fly or if not that then they need their magic to be unoccupied(like not fighting a being like Gandalf) in order to call upon said magic to fly.

    [face_dunno] :-B
     
  13. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Ah, sorry- was just going by the films impression of what the Balrog was.

    I guess a more apt contrast would be Reign of Fire vs Dragonheart.
     
  14. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    I have to say, it seems pretty incompetent of the dwarves to have lost to him. All they needed to do was lead him into a narrow chamber where he could not fly out or maneuver easily. Then seal it behind him, and make sure the room has abundant arrowslits in a 360 degree circumvallation. Stand back from whichever region he attempts to use fire, and in the meantime have archers unleash their fury form everywhere else. He would pretty quickly suffer a death from a thousand cuts.
     
  15. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    You mean Alatar and Pallandro?
     
  16. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Pallando.
     
  17. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Pallando system?
     
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  18. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Unless he just waited outside the chamber and sent orcs to deal with the archers.
     
  19. Darth_Omega

    Darth_Omega Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I'm currently rereading the Hobbit at the moment, it's kind of amusing imagining where Peter JAckson will add unnecessary action scenes. :p
     
  20. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    We should place bets. Double if someone correctly guesses an Albinorc scene.
     
  21. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    In the movie Smaug will talk out of his butt ala Ace Ventura.
     
  22. Lugija

    Lugija Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No, not talk. Remember we never saw where the fire came from in the prologue.

    Quoth the PJ: “The trouble with redesigning dragons I’ve found is… you very quickly can go into science fiction territory, and I don’t want to do that. I want to present the most venal, scary, decrepit, nasty dragon I possibly can.”
     
  23. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Pallando's not a system, he's a man! ...er, well, he looks like a man...
     
  24. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    If I recall,
    Beorn protects the Dwarves/Bilbo from afar when they journey from his house towards Mirkwood. I won't put it past Jackson to have Albinorc vs giant bear
     
  25. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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