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Amph One Ring To Rule Them All: The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings Trilogies + Amazon Prequel Series

Discussion in 'Community' started by -Courtney-, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Elves are immortal unless they're slain in battle. Deal with it! :p
     
  2. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    You can disagree with Professor Tolkien on his own creation all you like, saber, it doesn't affect the facts. [face_not_talking]
     
  3. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Oh i will :p
     
  4. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Or when they die of grief. ;)
     
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  5. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Must be nice to be a Elf [face_laugh]
     
  6. Everton

    Everton Force Ghost star 10

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  7. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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  8. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    In the "Goblins" entry of the index of part 2 of The Book of Lost Tales, it says "Frequently used as alternative term to Orcs" but "sometimes apparently distinguished".

     
  9. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Lovely text. It's worthy of note that these conjunctive pairings, "Orcs and goblins", are found in The Book of Lost Tales and not in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings. In the latter Legolas, at least, makes it plain that they're two words for the same humanoid. So, grain of salt on posthumously published extraneous writings, and all that.
     
  10. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    How about this:

    All goblins are Orcs, but not all Orcs are goblins.
     
  11. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    The answer is no. You know how halfling and hobbit mean the same thing? It's like that!
     
  12. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    So is it in this one where Radagast convinces the Senate Wizard Council to grant Sauraman emergency powers a stronger Wizard staff due to the threat of the Clone Wars Battle of the Five Armies?
     
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  13. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Soliloquist of SWTV star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    OMG! That Tolkien guy ripped off George Lucas! ]-}
     
  14. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    Arrest him and have him tarred and feathered for all the world to see!
     
  15. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Should be the other way around ;)
     
  16. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Broken sarcasm detector, Darth Vader?
     
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  17. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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  18. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    [face_plain] [face_sigh]
     
  19. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    I've never known Darth Vader to register irony!
     
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  20. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    While orcs and goblins are two words for the same things, it is worth noting that they do come in various shapes and sizes that are apparently worth distinguishing with different names. In addition to the above quote, there are references to small, servile snagga, and pig like snufflers.
     
  21. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    If that is the case, without trying to create a protracted debate, Elves are not immortal.
    They have eternal life yes, but they can die if some one kills them.

    Immortals, on the other hand, can't die at all.
    Immortal = Unable to die, so if you die you aren't really unable :p

    They are no more immortal than Vampires are.
     
  22. Lugija

    Lugija Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah, almost every single named elf in The Silmarillion would like to ask about that immortal thing.

    Except Cirdan. He's busy sitting on a beach and drinking stuff with paper umbrellas, man.
     
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  23. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Elves get new bodies after they're slain. Just on another continent, in Aman.
     
  24. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    If they are like Sauron in that they can lose their physical body and yet remain alive in another form then yes they are immortal.

    My point was more to emphasise that eternal life is not the same as immortality, immortals can't be killed.
     
  25. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Sauron's not an Elf, he's a Maia (same as Gandalf).