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Amph One Ring To Rule Them All: The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings Trilogies + Amazon Prequel Series

Discussion in 'Community' started by -Courtney-, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    No it doesn't. Tom Bombadil was also in Tokien's original stories, but there was no weird, pointless 40 minute interlude to visit him in the first LOTR film. Nor would it really have been defensible if it had. A major part of Jackson's task is reconfiguring Tolkien's story into one that would work well in a new medium. He failed in that task, and the result is a bloated, unenjoyable mess.

    You may as well defend typos in a novel by saying the author put them their first, and copy editors simply failed to note them.We know that. The thing is, that's their whole job. The job they didn't do. Which is why people criticized it in the first place.
     
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  2. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    Bloated, yes.
    Unenjoyably, certainly not.

    Does make your butt sore though :p
     
  3. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    =D=
     
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  4. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Another tired all-or-nothing fallacy... So what's the problem with including things that have a point?
    And I hate to break it to you, but Middle-earth is kind of a weird place.
     
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  5. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Jedi Grand Master star 7

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  6. vinsanity

    vinsanity Jedi Master star 4

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    Ridiculous
     
  7. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    Despite the hyperbole used, he's right, though.

    :p
     
  8. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Just wanted to verify before I update the thread title- we don't have a separate thread for the next movie, right? I looked around but didn't see any, and while it's preferable to have a single thread for the series, I didn't want to duplicate an existing one by accident.
     
  9. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    No, we'll just use this one (could do with a thread title update, though...).
     
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  10. Random Comments

    Random Comments Jedi Master star 5

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    Yes! Finally!

    Thank you for updating the title!


    I was too excited about that, wasn't I?
     
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  11. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Soliloquist of SWTV star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    OMG CHANGE I CANT DEAL WITH THIS
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  12. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    All black and brown and covered with hair!
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  13. Sandtrooper92

    Sandtrooper92 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Totally agree.

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  14. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    This is not an adaptation of 1937's The Hobbit acting as if LOTR never existed. It would be more accurate to call it the era of The Hobbit as viewed through the lens of LOTR. As someone once said, the tale grew in the telling, and the Necromancer was retconned into Sauron. In light of LOTR that subplot is much more important.
     
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  15. D-Ludicrous

    D-Ludicrous Jedi Master star 2

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    Exactly right. PJ is taking the Hobbit and LOTR and making it into one whole 20 hour movie starting with The Hobbit:AUJ and ending with LOTR:ROTK. Just like the Star Wars PT and OT are connected and not 2 seperate trilogys.
     
  16. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Except that even despite all its imperfections, AUJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> TPM.
     
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  17. Everton

    Everton Force Ghost star 10

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    With the exception of a some moments including Liam Neeson and Ian McDiarmid, TPM is abominable. With the exception of a few over-enthusiastic action sequences, some pacing issues and anything involving the Great Goblin, AUJ is pretty good.
     
  18. Coruscant

    Coruscant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    You've given this a lot of thought, haven't you?
     
  19. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    That's because Jackson used existing dialogue written by someone who was good at it :p
     
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  20. Everton

    Everton Force Ghost star 10

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    Oh yes.
     
  21. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz JC Head Admin & Community Manager star 8 Staff Member Administrator

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    Nonsense. AUJ is at the very least as bad as TPM. And the special effects manage to, somehow, look worse.
     
  22. Coruscant

    Coruscant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I bet you have long leather bound journals with yellowed pages, filled with homemade black ink, that showcase your journey of discovery and how you processed your formation of your opinion the Hobbit movie. Don't you, Everton?
     
  23. Everton

    Everton Force Ghost star 10

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  24. Coruscant

    Coruscant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Well, I do. If one were to read through them, he would discovered how my opinion changed between pages 24 and 60 on the first hour in the Shire, with the dwarves and Gandalf trying in vain to enlist Bilbo, from a soft kind of enthusiasm to a pleasant opportunity to nap while waiting for more exciting bits to a renewed interest in the particular background details that fill up the screen.
     
  25. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The good news is there's no reason parts 2 and 3 can't be better. Even though that zombie goblin genie character is a pain in the ass, the casting was solid. Thorin and Bilbo make a fun team. The Mirkwood segment at the very least plays to Jackson's core strengths as a filmmaker. That will likely be one of the highlights of the trilogy.

    And then, of course the dragon attack on Lake Town and the battle of the five armies could rival anything we've seen in Return of the King for cinematic spectacle.

    Plenty of reason for hope. Best just to write off unexpected journey as a shaky start. LOTR had the opposite problem. Fellowship was the undisputed masterpiece of the trilogy, which increasingly succumbed to bloat and overkill through the last two films.