Discussion in 'Community' started by -Courtney-, Nov 25, 2006.
Elves are immortal unless they're slain in battle. Deal with it!
You can disagree with Professor Tolkien on his own creation all you like, saber, it doesn't affect the facts.
Oh i will
Or when they die of grief.
Must be nice to be a Elf
In the "Goblins" entry of the index of part 2 of The Book of Lost Tales, it says "Frequently used as alternative term to Orcs" but "sometimes apparently distinguished".
Lovely text. It's worthy of note that these conjunctive pairings, "Orcs and goblins", are found in The Book of Lost Tales and not in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings. In the latter Legolas, at least, makes it plain that they're two words for the same humanoid. So, grain of salt on posthumously published extraneous writings, and all that.
How about this:
All goblins are Orcs, but not all Orcs are goblins.
The answer is no. You know how halfling and hobbit mean the same thing? It's like that!
So is it in this one where Radagast convinces the Senate Wizard Council to grant Sauraman emergency powers a stronger Wizard staff due to the threat of the Clone Wars Battle of the Five Armies?
OMG! That Tolkien guy ripped off George Lucas!
Arrest him and have him tarred and feathered for all the world to see!
Should be the other way around
Broken sarcasm detector, Darth Vader?
Yours is too?
I've never known Darth Vader to register irony!
While orcs and goblins are two words for the same things, it is worth noting that they do come in various shapes and sizes that are apparently worth distinguishing with different names. In addition to the above quote, there are references to small, servile snagga, and pig like snufflers.
If that is the case, without trying to create a protracted debate, Elves are not immortal.
They have eternal life yes, but they can die if some one kills them.
Immortals, on the other hand, can't die at all.
Immortal = Unable to die, so if you die you aren't really unable
They are no more immortal than Vampires are.
Yeah, almost every single named elf in The Silmarillion would like to ask about that immortal thing.
Except Cirdan. He's busy sitting on a beach and drinking stuff with paper umbrellas, man.
Elves get new bodies after they're slain. Just on another continent, in Aman.
If they are like Sauron in that they can lose their physical body and yet remain alive in another form then yes they are immortal.
My point was more to emphasise that eternal life is not the same as immortality, immortals can't be killed.
Sauron's not an Elf, he's a Maia (same as Gandalf).