Amph One Ring To Rule Them All: The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings Trilogies

Discussion in 'Community' started by -Courtney-, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost

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    The Serpentine Dragons in Skyrim are worse in that respect.
  2. Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master

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    That's how he was described in the book
  3. Random Comments Jedi Master

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    Um, no, it's not. Do you know what a wyvern is?
    Also, all Tolkien's illustrations clearly show that he's not a wyvern. It was just a last-minute Jackson changeTM
  4. SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London

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    Smaug has pretty much always been depicted as looking like a conventional Dragon:

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  5. SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London

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    And that's how he looked in AUJ before Jackson changed him. I just don't know why he did it, surely Smaug was fine looking like a regular Dragon.
  6. Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master

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    Smaug was referred to as a worm in the book and they didn't turn into a Wyvern, they redesigned him to follow the description from the book, he was Wyvern type dragon but he was not a Wyvern
  7. Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost

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    We didn't see what he looked like in AUJ.
  8. SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London

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    He obviously had 4 legs in AUJ when he broke into Erebor. You can see when he stomps on the Dwarves
    He certainly didn't have obvious arm-wings.

    "Worm" is a pretty vague description, he could be described that way just by having a long tail and neck (as many Dragons tend to have in images). I've never seen anything to suggest Smaug ever looked like he did in DOS. It's not that he wasn't well done, but I was very surprised watching it and the whole time thinking "wait, has he got arm-wings?". I just expected him to look like any other Dragon, only superior CGI.
  9. Random Comments Jedi Master

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    Actually, you do briefly see enough to know he was a four-limbed plus wings dragon in the theatrical release.
    His forelimbs are clearly visible in the attack on Erebor, and have been rather clumsily edited in the extended release.

    No. Wyverns have two legs and two wings, normal dragons have four legs and two wings. Tolkien draws Smaug with four legs and two wings, and he is never described as a wyvern. "Worm" just means dragon.

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  10. Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master

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    In the Extended Edition of AUJ, Smaug was changed to have 2 legs and winged forearms
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  11. Random Comments Jedi Master

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  12. SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London

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    Which means they made a decision between movies to change what he looked like since they had to go back and edit him.

    Never mind him being edited into the final battle of the five armies, he could be edited as the Witch King's ride in ROTK now. You would never know the difference :p
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  13. Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master

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    Seems most directors prefer 2 legs and winged forearms on a dragon than the 4 legs
  14. SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London

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    Well it's probably more like a Dragon would appear in real-life since that is how the majority of flying animals (apart from insects) function.
  15. I Are The Internets Force Ghost

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    Maybe since the screenwriter is obviously a heroin-addict, Smaug will become corrupted by Sauron and multiply into many Nazguls?
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  16. SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London

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    Smaug should get the Ring and become an invisible uber-dragon
  17. laurethiel1138 Jedi Master

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    I just had a thought...

    What would be utterly badass in the BOFA (the event, not the film as a whole - the title change will get a bit problematic this way, even if I'm personally of two minds on the matter) would be to have the triumphant reprise of the Misty Mountains song as the Dwarves are charging, preferably led by Thorin himself, first in English to give the gist of the song, then in Khuzdul to let the music speak as the fighting ramps up. It would be amazing, especially if Thorin does come out in "the armour of all armour", as Armitage himself said.

    Lauré :)
  18. Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master

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    From what I read, the Witch King will be featured in the third film
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  19. Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus

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    I'm JUST NOW understanding that you're arguing about Smaug being a quadriped vs. a hexoped.
  20. dp4m Chosen One

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    Go drunk, Miana, you're home!
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  21. Adam of Nuchtern Jedi Master

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    You know that scene in Temple of Doom where Indy encounters two swordsmen and reaches for his gun to shoot them like he did to that one guy in Raiders? Now imagine six hours of scenes in the same vein.
  22. Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master

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    Smaug is full of all kinds of badassness
  23. SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London

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    With his staff-breaking Flame Sword of Righteousness

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    While he flies around on his Smaug
  24. Bacon164 Jedi Master

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    What is your favorite scene in the two hobbit films and what is your most anticipated scene in the Hobbit: The War of the Five Kings
  25. Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost

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