ST Openly-gay characters in Star Wars thread: READ WARNING IN OPENING POST

Woah, glad I arrived late to the party, some pretty peculiar statements made recently. These things tend to be completely off the radar and bang some strange angle gets posted. Am like WTH is that all about. What a strange little world we live in today, love is love lets just keep it at that.

 

Well it looks like Sulu is gay... So taboo broken and very nicely done!

 

The only thing I hate about that is that he'll never have his biological daughter in the current timeline. Besides Kirk's out of wedlock son who dies, Sulu was the only character in the original crew to have a child.

 

Yeh, but he's got a little-un on his arm so you never know.... Think it's really cool for his character in this series of films though. Always so dynamic, ass kicking, eyeing up the captains seat and then so tender (nothing more than the mere thumb caress gives it away).
Only hope that if they go for it in SW, they'll do it with the same light brush strokes.

 

True.

Even with 21st century technology, you have surrogates.

 

History is fun. More peole should check it out so they can realize that the things they hold as objective truths are actually social trends that change from culture to culture and age to age. It's uncomfortable to realise one has been culturally conditioned on many issues but take heart, we all are...we just need to fight it.

 

Yeah, I mean Arnold Schwarzenegger carried a child in "Junior". Totally viable in a Sci-Fi./Fantasy Genre. Even though that movie was terrible, it gets the point across. lol

 

"Same-sex couples could both be biological parents to their babies with new genetic technique, scientists say" -Dec. 21, 2015
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Two gay people could have biological babies only if they are made in a laboratory. We could end up mass producing babies in factories like in a brave new world with that kind of technology. That would really change society.

 

I have this weird feeling Donnie Yen and Jiang Wens characters in Rogue One are an item

 

I was talking about two gay men being biological fathers. You would need genetic engineering to do this. For two men to be biological fathers, a laboratory most definitely would be used. The n probably implanted in it a surrogate. Currently, when gay men use surrogacy, only one of them is the biological father. When straight use surrogacy, the wife often donates eggs and the father donates sperm. Sometimes a sperm or egg donor is used if the husband or wife has defective sperm or eggs. So gays are not the only ones using surrogacy, egg sellers/donors, and sperm sellers/donors. Even if gays never existed, we would still have to deal with reproductive technology's effect on society. My main focus is on the technologies, not on gays. However, I guess you can say that this is a gay issue since this technology affects gays are more heavily than straights. Most straights can reproduce without the help of a 3rd party. Gays need these technologies or they cannot reproduce (well I guess they could if they entered a straight relationship). However, if only a small percentage of gay want to reproduce, I guess it is a moot issue for them.


When you use a surrogate, there are lots of ethical questions that come up. Do surrogates have the legal right to abort? Do women lose their legal right to abort when they sign a contract? Can the intended parents force the surrogate to have an abortion? Are the women entering the surrogacy agreement willingly or are they being pimped out by human traffickers? How much could Human Traffickers make if they started impregnating slaves through IVF and then taking the babies away? If the surrogate finds out that the intended parent is a pedophile or violent criminal, should she have the right to refuse to hand over the baby? If the intended parents no longer want the kid, what should happen? Can the intended parents sue the surrogate if their child is defective? Is there a return policy for defective kids? Do kids have a right to know their biological parents if they were created through egg/ sperm donation/selling? Should we allow the selling of sperm and eggs? Should those who sell or donate eggs and sperm be allowed to do it anonymously? Can egg/ sperm donor/seller remain anonymous? If egg/sperm donors/sellers are exempt from child support- then should those who have one night stands also be except? Should egg/sperm donors provide child support? Would people be okay with marrying someone who was a sperm donor/seller who has fathered to hundreds of children like Jango Fett? What should be done with unused fertilized eggs? What if the surrogate has twins but the clients only wanted one? Should parents be free to abort gay babies? What about babies that will grow up to be fat? Should they be able to select the babies gender? Could intended parents hire multiple surrogates, select the best child, and abandon the rest? How does donating/selling gametes affect a person's life? Will they be able to find their kids in the future? Will their kids find them? Will the donated offspring become a future intrusion? How will a kid feel about having his biological mother or father erased from the family? Can a reproductive corporation guarantee that their kids will go to good homes? If there is a conflict of interest between the surrogate and intended parents, who has the power to get what they want? Can you ethically recruit someone to basically sell their future biological children? Are we becoming a society of Rumpelstiltskin? Was Rumpelstiltskin a bad guy, or just misunderstood? Was the miller's daughter wrong to go back on her word? Was the miller's daughter wrong to use her future children as currency? Was Rumpelstiltskin taking advantage of a woman in a dire situation?

The demand for surrogates has skyrocketed. Using a surrogate is expensive. An artificial womb would greatly decrease the cost for people to have children. Once an artificial womb is developed, companies could manufacture babies for profit. Right now surrogacy costs well over $10,000 for a single baby. Future technology could reduce the price to mere $1,000. It would be like buying a dog. If having a baby this way becomes so affordable, I could see if becoming the main way to reproduce. This does bring ethical questions and it would change society. Most likely it would end up changing the relationship between children and parents. What if the kid doesn't live up to client's expectations? It would also raise questions about who has the right to have a child. Should pedophiles and violent criminals be allowed to purchase children? Would you need a permit to purchase a kid? Should we allow genetic engineering to prevent babies from having birth defects? Should we allow designer babies? Is ugliness a disease? Should people be able to clone themselves? Should a woman be able to use their late husband DNA to create kids? Should parents be allowed to rehome kids that they no can longer afford? If we have genetic engineering, is a biological link to your child even necessary? Is there no difference between a child with a biological link and a child with no biological link to a parent. Does a biological link have any meaning? It did to Luke and Vader. Would this technology affect adoption? Would artificial wombs kill demand for adoption? What would happen to abandon and orphan children? Could the government afford to care for all of the abandon children? Would this technology increase the number of abandon children? Would reproductive technology replace creating children the old fashioned way like in Gattaca? Would natural birth become disgusting? Would gender become meaningless? Should parenthood be redefined? Would turning children into a consumer product alter the relationship between a parent and their child? Would giving birth become disgusting and abhorrent?

To be honest, I'm uneasy about Reproductive Technology. With adoption, the emphasis is placed on finding a good home for the child. With reproductive technology, the emphasis is fulfilling the desire of adults.
I can sympathize with people who really want kids. However, we need to have this conversation sooner rather than later. How are we going to regulate or deal with current and future reproductive technologies?Are there ethical ways of using reproductive technology? Are there unethical ways of using these technologies? How can we reduce harm to all the parties involved?

Is it superstitious to not want to use the atom bomb? After all, science created the atom bomb. Science also created guns. If you anti-guns, are you also anti-science? Are those who are pro-gun control also anti-science? Are those who are pro banning guns superstitious? Science is a tool. It is a tool that needs to be used morally. If we don't talk about the moral aspect of reproductive technologies- then yes we will probably end up with a dystopian mess on our hands. Will these conversations be uncomfortable? Yes, much like conversations on racism and homophobia. If we have these conversations now. We can avoid many future messes.

 

We should start using the word "midichlorians" for "sperm".

 

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ZOMG this.

 

"I wanna check his midi-chlorian count." ...or... "Even master Yoda doesn't have a midi-chlorian count that high!" ...or... "Master sir, I heard Yoda talking about midi-chlorians. I've been wondering, what are midi-chlorians?" #awkward

 

It works both ways, I don't care for the word "sperm" and it makes the PT all the funnier.

 

This thread

 

Its close to derail!

 

Alright, getting back on topic here. I think a gay character would be fabulous in Star Wars...

 

I nominate Poe!

 

oh grow up. sperm sperm sperm. it's science.