Amph Our Mission Was the Journey Itself: Stargate Universe

but.




but this is the internet.



you can't change your opinion if you post it on the internet.

Can you?

 

Just saw "Threads".

And yes, I'm sure we will...like me thinking that "Threads" should've been the series finale.

 

As an aside, the producers are pretty interested in Stargate Worlds and the plot and major enemy it'll be using. They've said they like it enough that they're working certain elements into the third series and at least one upcoming SG-1.

 

of course they are...Stargate Worlds success is just as significant to the future value of the franchise as a 3rd show.

Sadly, I think they need to dramatically retool it before it makes it to the shelves...something that looks like Halo is not what Stargate is about.

 

The later gear armor is certainly...different.

I'm really hoping we just get an option to have normal looking gear with the high end stats. Otherwise...blah.

 

the problem is 2 fold:

1) making angular "armor" characters is easier, less time consuming, and thus, less expensive to utilize as a character model then more advanced "regular" looking characters or multiple varieties.

2) the success of Halo and subsequent "clones" which makes distributors believe they can get away with the cost cutting measure successfully.

but what they are forgetting with Stargate is that this is NOT a "new" property...expectations will greet this game...you can't just release as other games trying to make a dent in the market would.

Star Wars Galaxies ran SMACK into this wall...there is a different criteria for measure on a pre-existing universe.

is it fair? probably not...but then, if a license is popular and successful enough to warrant a "game" medium...it shouldn't be just another game.

 

Well all I can say is at least they have made a decision and aren't umming and erring about where to take the franchise, but I'm not convinced Atlantis should have been sacrificed to make way for this show...

 

*cough* VOYAGER *cough*

 

Oh my you read my mind =)

It makes sense, in that this series has absolutely no where to go, but still.

I have a pitch for the producers....

Stargate: The other side

In which a team of very well rounded scientists, who seem to have mastery of all possible fileds of study, notice that there is an entirely different set of chevrons and star constellations on "the other side" of the stargate. By finding the proper combinations to make the gate functional, the newly formed team travels not to other planets of timelines, but to other science fiction television programs and movies.
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This new concept will allow the stargate producers to stop pilfering ideas and general plotlines from other shows, and just use the actual plotlines from the original programs in question. This will offer at least a simulated originality, being that actual originality is out of the question. I would also recomend casting the main team with actors from alot of these other franchises. This will allow 15-20 mins in each episode to be filled with comic interactions with former incarnations of actors. The benefits of this idea surely speaks for itself =P

Aang: "Sokka, whats wrong with your forehead, its all red?"
Gypsy: (whispers to Sokka)"Hey, I think that little arrow head kid is the Avatar"
Sokka: *facepalm*

I feel like Sokka

 

or the species from 2001/2010 for that matter.

Although, I get the feeling this will be significantly more "extra-galactic"...Milky Way has been done.

 

After reading through this thread, I don't think I am going to start watching Stargate any time soon. It does however make sense that they are going to copy Voyager as they already copied Voyager's tendency to bull**** the fans, as Ronald D Moore said. What I mean by that is that Voyager sucked because they popped out shuttlecraft like they were candy and refused to behave like actual humans would in their quest to go home when they find a very nice Earth like planet already populated by peace loving humans. In the same way Stargate would never have been kept secret for as long as it did, and any benefit of being set in the same modern world we live in was lost when they fight epic space battles above earth and people are still oblivious. Frankly it is just as silly as if Doctor Who had tried to pretend that after all those alien attacks in London that nobody realized all those Cybermen weren't from around here.

Perhaps it is geared for a younger audience or the hard-core fans that have put up with such things for so long they don't mind, but the most successful sci-fi shows have been ones that show people acting like real people. If you want more silly contrived aliens ripped off from other shows, you have Atlantis. Which is a shame because scifi shows like Stargate, Sliders, or Doctor Who have this wonderful format that basically lets the writers go into any situation they can imagine, but too often just devolves into a series of fighting one super evil menace to an even more super evil menace.

If I were to reboot the Stargate Universe, I would start by doing what humans would do: Revealing the Stargate to the world and using it to colonize as many planets as possible, or if that is too dangerous sending armies to all those poor villages they meet to protect them. You would also stop making missions to unknown planets directly to Earth. Half the problems they have are bringing home danerous things that might escape the base, which could have a simple solution of basing such missions from some other planet. That in turn would free the Stargate up to moving people and supplies to the worlds they want to take over or help. And then you don't even necessarily have to reboot the series ala Batman, but you just change it to stop bsing the fans.

 

I think Theatrical release is a dead topic at this point...especially with the pseudo retirement of RDA.

Unless they somehow cast a HUGE name for SGU (a movie name for tv...stranger things have happened) There isn't anything to pull it off.

They'd almost need to get Kurt Russell to come back as Jack.

Wow...that would be weirder then anything else I can imagine.

 

What does going for a younger audience even mean? Power rangers? I can handle humor and adventure, the problem was they too often misunderstood that as silly slapstick and outrageously unbelievable plots.

I understand they have beta sites and or whatever, but it still doesn't explain why they never revealed things to the world. They basically are following the same path X-files went down, string things out so far to milk the hardcore base that everyone else looses interest. And with all the crazy alien invasion plotlines I couldn't even really sort out who did who to what, and I have a general idea of who the Ghould, Ori, Replicators, Asended beings, bad asended guy, Altantis-vampire guys and friendly little grey guys are. How they intend on explaining all that to a new audience I don't really know.

My point is that could have a show with the world knowing, and they might gain a shred of that believability factor that is so crucial in good sci-fi. They don't need to copy BSG's grittiness or even turn into a full fledged space opera, they just need to act like humans really would. I think in part they don't want to reveal themselves to the world because they know the only realistic reaction is panic.

 

I watch enough of the show to have seen those episodes. I guess part of the problem is that the show is still about SG-1, when at this point they shouldn't just have an elite team or even 20 elite teams exploring and helping locals or whatever, the only logical action would be a huge nationwide or global effort to colonize and expand as quickly as possible. Which if they were really doing that there would be no time for the Earth stargate to be used to pick up SG-1.

 

honestly...for a long time the mystique of not letting the world know was part of the charm of the show...the problem is...from the get go, a plan should have been in place to gradually move toward disclosure if the gate would be used with any effectiveness in the advancement of our world.

Atlantis should've been the first step...and not only that, they should have worked into it the disclosure, so that they could send thousands of people to populate the entire city and not have it be a gaping case of "missing persons".

I've said on a number of occasions that SG-1 as an operations team no longer makes sense...in the initial phase, they were critical...but now, they are experts in their given fields...Teal'c's concerns certainly play more to his people, and his persistent presences with the SGC only reinforces his estrangement from his people.

Carter should be running Area 51, not bouncing between Atlantis and SG missions...Daniel should probably be the one on Atlantis, if he's not running the SGC "School" for Galactic civilizations. I always wondered how "new" people to the SGC learned Goa'uld.

There should be other teams...and their should be mission specific teams...not just random SG-go out and be ready for anything teams.

Now from what I'm reading about Universe, they are going to "dodge" those issues by detaching the characters even further from the shows origins then Atlantis was...probably for that very reason...so they don't have to deal with those looming questions...all the while mutating the franchise more into a Trek hybrid then the unique vision it once held.

Now I can't say there is a "this is how is should be done"...but I think it's safe to say this is not how the old guard want to see it.

Part of me wonders if the new Star Trek movie doesn't have something to do with this...they reboot that franchise with "youth appeal"...and SG wants to be the TV counterpart to that.

ANGST! BRING ON THE ANGST!

 

Exactly...except instead of disclosure following season 8...they cooked up the Ori to keep the universe bottled up.

now I have a "should have"...instead of Moebius, the SHOULD HAVE ended season 8 with telling the world, and launched a spinoff instead of dragging SG-1 like a mule through the quagmire.