Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much

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  1. Disco_Dark_Jeedai Jedi Master

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    "Padlame is just as responsible. She goes with a guy that admits to murdering defensless women and children in AOTC. What the hell was she thinking......."he will make a good father"? The guy had issues, and she refused to tell him to get bent."

    What's even worse is she cannot believe he would have killed Younglings!!
  2. Shelley Jedi Youngling

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    Any character in a story, especially a saga like this, is supposed to be a role model

    Really? Then why aren't you getting on Anakin's case for failing to be a role model? Palpatine's? The Nemoidians'? Dooku's? Darth Maul's?

    Why do people just automatically assume Padmé is a role model? Is it because she's a woman?
  3. Disco_Dark_Jeedai Jedi Master

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    "You have a point about the children, and yes, she dies right after Anakin enters the suit and takes his first breath in it."

    So maybe it is symbionic? As Anakin "dies", she dies.

    Nice website, BTW.
  4. FRANKTHERABBIT Jedi Master

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    Padme did not sacrifice her own life. She was attacked by Anakin, and then "lost the will to live".

    I believe she lost the will to live when she realised that Anakin had turned to the darkside.

    Some could see this as the Darkside killing her, or simply that she gave up the ghost, gutted that she didn't really know who Anakin Skywalker really was, underneath the Jedi Knight - realising that he had become a Sith Lord, that he had turned to evil - she dies heartbroken that Anakin is lost to her - however, we know that he is not lost forever, and that it takes their children to bring him back.

    But she didn't make a sacrifice. Hers was not a sacrificial act. She went to reason with Anakin and she failed.

  5. RolandofGilead Manager Emeritus

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    "What "angry fire" did she put out inside Anakin? You mean without her sacrificing her life, Vader would have been even more bad than choking Imperial officers, quietly abetting blowing off a planet, hunting down the remaining Jedi, and generally being pretty evil all around?"

    As stated before, Padme was the reason and the excuse for every immoral act that Anakin performed. He betrayed the Jedi, he overthrew the Republic, and he killed children all to save her. Padme took herself out of this equation. She would not be owned by the Sith. In so doing she dampned the defensive fire inside Anakin's heart. If he was doing all this evil for her, and she were gone, what was there left to protect? Who could he control now but Imperial Officers?

    Then 20 years later his hated Master sacrifices himself to protect his hidden children. Again there is nothing left for Vader to serve. No more revenge because his enemies are dead. No more protection because those he loved are dead as well. All he has is his service to the Empire and this is obviously waning. We know this because of the extent he goes through to find and turn his son once he learns of his existence. With Padme and Obi-wan gone, this son is the only thing he has whether for good or evil purposes.
  6. Disco_Dark_Jeedai Jedi Master

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    "Then 20 years later his hated Master sacrifices himself to protect his hidden children. Again there is nothing left for Vader to serve. No more revenge because his enemies are dead. No more protection because those he loved are dead as well. All he has is his service to the Empire and this is obviously waning. We know this because of the extent he goes through to find and turn his son once he learns of his existence. With Padme and Obi-wan gone, this son is the only thing he has whether for good or evil purposes."

    Can you imagine the emotions Anakin would feel when he finally realizes the cost of his decisions?

    Almost as bad as having to go and kill your "brother"!
  7. HawkHeadKentil Jedi Knight

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    He did bad things that had nothing to do with Padme. Dooku lost his head. Sand people got killed.
  8. JediLaura01 Jedi Master

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    He killed Dooku b/c Dooku took off his arm. He killed the sand people b/c they killed his Mother. Those are still relative to personal issues.
  9. HawkHeadKentil Jedi Knight

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  10. sithrules70 Jedi Master

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    """"He did bad things that had nothing to do with Padme. Dooku lost his head. Sand people got killed.""""


    and who says the guy has to be hollier than the pope? imagine your mother being killed by some animals and come back to post. :mad:
  11. Sauntaero Force Ghost

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    Role Model post at top:

    Yes, I can see Anakin and the Nemoidians and such as role models. There are two sides to every issue, and both can give one benefit. Anakin, though he becomes Vader, is the hero of the entire saga. Because if there is good in Darth Vader, as we see at the end, there can be good in anybody.
    Separtists/ Commerce Guilds--trade unions. I'd say they help society in general, and they were about to take out the quasi-dead Republic.

    Yes, I see Padme as a role model because she's a strong woman. How many of them do you see in stories compared to real life?
  12. Reyla_Zingara Jedi Knight

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    How exactly would that have been shown in the film? A "three years later" epilogue wouldn't have worked. Padme's death needed to be shown in the film, not left to EU.

    It wouldn't be left to EU. He could show some sort of transition to her sitting with Leia, and having Leia be a toddler. It's not impossible.

    And also, even if Padme was in such heartache and all, why on earth would she then give birth to two healthy babies and just leave them to basically deal with the horrible times to come on their own? You'd think with her being the character she was, she would live for the children's sake, if only to see them safe in the dark times. No mother would leave their children to that, I don't care if your husband turned out to be satan himself.

  13. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    Not all characters in a story are meant to be role-models. Characters serve a variety of purposes in a story.

    And almost any time you say something so absolute like that, it's gonna be wrong. Not only are there exceptions, what you said is not even generally true.
  14. HawkHeadKentil Jedi Knight

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    Imagine little Jedi children. :rolleyes: Bye.
  15. jedijake719 Jedi Master

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    Ok, the idea of Anakin or the Trade Federation being role models is possibly the sickest thing I have ever read or heard.

    Sure, go kill innocent people. If you do one good thing you are fine. Kill kids-you can always ask for forgiveness and be a true hero.

    Yeah, that's mentally balanced. Geesh!

    As for Padme, she's not a role model-she's an object that carried the twins. The twins became role models. Obi-Wan was a role model. Anakin, Padme-not even close. And nor are they ever supposed to be role models.
  16. JediLaura01 Jedi Master

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    an object that carried the twins.

    An OBJECT? She's a WOMAN and her name is Padme'!
  17. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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  18. JediatNight Jedi Master

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    Why do people just automatically assume Padmé is a role model? Is it because she's a woman?

    I don't assume it, it is plainly evident in the first two movies. She is portrayed as a fearless heroine, who always prefers the peaceful solution even when it seems hopeless. She was a 14 year old girl who was determined to save her planet from oppression, in spite of the fact that EVERYONE from the Senate, to the Jedi, to her own security people (remember Captain-"There's-too-many-of-them!"-Panaka??), told her it couldn't be done. She did it. She planned and led and threw herself right into the line of fire to get it done. I would have a hard time not calling her a role model.
  19. JediLaura01 Jedi Master

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  20. Reyla_Zingara Jedi Knight

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    Padme was a good role model in TPM. She'd have been an even better one if she would have lived for her children and dealt with her mistakes.
  21. Disco_Dark_Jeedai Jedi Master

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    She's human and we all make mistakes. Love does that to people.

  22. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    Padme was a good role model in TPM. She'd have been an even better one if she would have lived for her children and dealt with her mistakes.

    It's not fair, Padme is holding me back!
    I hate her!
  23. EwokThatCried Jedi Master

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    Think, if Padme had lived, knowing what Anakin had become, would she really be safe or his prisoner. He would always want to "protect her" and make her accomplice to his grand design of destroying Palpatine and reigning over the galaxy. Her very breath is the living justification for Anakin's descent. He tells her, "I'm doing it for you, to protect you."

    Of course she could run, but he would follow. Staying wiht him is too dangerous for the children. Padme would be trapped and Anakin would always have a reason to commit his acts of hatred and revenge.

    By voluntarily removing herself from the equation, there is a hope that Anakin would let go and mourn her and his decision to join the sith. She does sense good in Anakin... her death would seal in his mind that he was WRONG. It is this very act of willingly letting go that planted the seed for Luke.

    Roland is spot on when he relates it to Obi-Wan's sacrifce as well. Not only does it protect the twins, but it quenches the revenge factor. Padme rendered null the "attachment" factor and Obi-Wan rendered null the "revenge" factor. Now what else does Vader have to motivate him?

    Luke. And we know what happens then. Luke finds the good his mother always knew was there.
  24. cygnusdrache Jedi Knight

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    with great wisdom again does ewokthatcried speak!
  25. jewlmc Jedi Master

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    The fact is, Shelley, that Padme is sold as a heroine. If she was always a weak little flower who lived and died by her twuest wuv then she should have always been shown as such. She shouldn't have spent the last two films picking off battle droids like a pro and jumping up from falling out of gun ships as if she merely tripped.
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