Discussion in 'Costuming and Props' started by Mrs_MayimNaar, Feb 21, 2002.
Thanks Obi-Dawn! I'm totally psyched about it.
I'm making this costume for Dragon*Con for my best friend...having trouble finding the fabric since the Thai Silks stuff is on Backorder...By the Way FERD THANKS FOR THE WRITE UP!!!!! That's the only reason why I'm feeling OK about making this costume!!!!
Months after I finished making my headpiece, I've finally got a page up about it. Don't know if anyone's working on this outfit at the moment, but maybe it will help someone at some point.
Ooh, craft foam is a great idea! Mind if I link to your page?
Go right ahead. You don't have to ask if you can link to anything I do. *shrug*
Great instructions, STP!
That is on my to do list for this outfit, so I will definately use your info.
I don't know if anyone is making this costume anymore, but here's a couple tips I noticed while making a doll version, which is ALMOST done....
On the back, at the shoulderblades, there is a small green flower, identical to the one on the front 'brooch'. Secondly, at the back where the top snaps onto the skirt, there is another 'brooch' at the very bottom. It is said in the dressing a galaxy book to be filligree, both the brooches and the flowers. For pictures of the flowers, go to
under episode 2
under cut family gown
under exhibit pics
look at the picture of the back of the dress.... you can't see the bottom brooch but you can see the small flowers. To see the brooch at the back go under gallery of reference pics.... look for the full length shot of the dress. Its hard to see unless you blow up the picture, but its there.... its very stiff, unlike the fabric.
Also, there is a new picture from the dressing a galaxy book out of the front of the costume with padme wearing it, (that one's at padawansguide.com/SWFFAQ under episode 2 under nabberie dress, i think) there is a silver button of some sort holding the skirt together where it snaps.
I'm not sure what it is yet... not a good enough picture. But I hope that helps people!
I was looking at this costume the other day and realized that the pin peice on the front is the same as the pin on the 'Liberty Dies' dress from ROTS.
There are just a few tiny differences, but the base shape and texture is the same of the other.
Has anybody made the cloak to this costume??
I have heard that the blue 'flames' on the front are devore'.... what do you think is the best way to immitate that, on a doll costume??
Anthony did it for 16" doll - a perfect work, I have to say.
It depends on size of the doll you want the cloak to make for. If it is for 16" doll, fine viscose velvet with silk back could be good choice. If you have the liquid for the devore making (Fiber Etch) and some fine application tool (pipette or something), you can try to make burnout effects and then paint the "bald" areas blue. Otherwise you can paint the velvet directly + carefully blue.
A velvet seems to me too "robust" for Barbie size doll - I usually replace the velvet which was used on the costume of human size, by a crepe-de-chine.
Maybe it helps you.
That does help. I am doing a 16" doll... I did see anthony's... his is beyond perfect. I had asked him how he did that via email, but he didn't answer... maybe he didn't get the email, I don't know. But thank you! The other tips and stuff will help allot. I didn't know that fiber etch could do the devore' thing... wow! cool! Thanks again, and great doll work!
So I was inspired by Kay_Dee to look through my old runway photos that I hadn't posted of this dress.
It looks like there is a small button on the top of the skirt holding the drape closed? This shows the side of the skirt pretty well.
This shows the back really well, I just wish the model had taken the cloak off all the way.
This is a closeup of the above shot, it shows the buttons along the back of the neck, as well as the pleats in the hood
Another Back shot
Thanks so much Kris! Your photos are a big reason why I decided the make this costume. I love having good reference photos to go off of!
I've combed through the shots you gave to Padawan's Guide. Are these additional ones (some seeme new to me). Anything you have would be great! Thanks again for taking such amazing shots of this costume.
Yeah! I never knew there were buttons on the back of the dress near the neck! I had just assumed I'd put in hooks and eyes, but I'll look for buttons like those (probably just put them on the surfae and still have hooks underneath?)
I was thinking of making a post here to summarize things I've discovered about this costume so far and where I've purchased items to make it from
There are 4 decorative clasps used on this dress, painted the same color as the dress and shirt fabric. One clasp is in the bottom center front of the blouse, 2 are at her shoulder blades in the back, and one appears to be in the center back of the waist of the skirt where the shirt connects. The thing driving me crazy right now is that I can't find a detail shot of the clasp in the center back of her skirt. In screen caps I can see that there is some sort of shape there, but nothing detailed
I've found screen caps (plus your photos) that show the blue flower/leaf clip detail at her shoulder blades somewhat matching the clip on the center front of the bodice.
So far I plan to do my best to make these out of scuply, then cast them in resin since I need to be able to paint them and have them look identical at the shoulder blades.
Here are my discoveries about the skirt so far:
The skirt is made of 6 gores in the back, and I believe 5 in the front (5 because the center front panel is cut on a fold). This screen cap sort-of shows the seams on the back of the skirt.
The skirt is fitted at the hips, but then flairs out. The right side overlaps the left, and there is indeed some sort of pearl button for decoration on the corner of the flap. But from screen caps of the runway show it looks like there are either snaps or hooks and eyes running down at a few points on the flap edge to keep it closed around the hips.
I've combined Vogue 2882 (due to the # of gores in the back) and Simplicity 5914 (copied the angle of the flair of the skirt, but will probably add even more flair on my next draft).
This is the first draft of the muslin, I'm really happy with this pattern and it just needs some minor adjustments to the fit and drafting.
After looking at the runway photos and a few clear shots I took at FIDM, I believe the fabric for the top and skirt looks like a crinkled doubleweave silk habotai. The diagonal doubleweave habotai at Thai Silks is remarkable close when draped and stretched along the bias! Here's my photo after washing and blocking out the weave with steam:
I intend to make the cloak too. I believe it is a shiny long pile flat velvet (sometimes called panne, but this has no knit or stretch to it). I got my velvet at Thai Silks.
The shoes appear to be dyable pumps, dyed to match the dress. This is the best screen cap I could get:
[image=http://kay-dee.net/costumes/padme_family/shoe.jpg] They are very similar to what was chosen for the runw
Great progress Kay_dee.
I am just sneaking in to say I found some great white polyester in the Walmart fabric section it was only 50 cents a yard so I got all I can find. Some day in the far future I may do this costume someday, but 50 cents a yard!
Oh my gosh, 50 cents a yard is a steal! I should head over to Walmart, but I know the selection really can vary from store to store. Even so, 50 cents a yard is less than I paid for my 'muslin' version and would probably be a better fabric to test with.
For the moment my progress on this costume is on hold. I am on the second mock-up of the skirt though. It's very tricky to make a bias cut skirt with this number of gores, so you'll see some rippled seams in my test version since there were some tricks I learned AFTER I got it halfway put together! But in order to get my diagonal weave crinkled habotai to look vertical when I cut it, the entire costume has to be bias cut.
I experimented a bit with some 3mm Sintra (expanded PVC) that I got at Tap Plastics which I will eventually use to make the headdress. I found that CA adhesive works well to seal off the porous ends of the sintra so it can really be sanded smooth and rounded or beveled. CA adhesive also provided the best bond for the styrene strips (which I will use for the diamond design overlay) on to the PVC. I just need to find a place that sells 2mm rather than 3mm sintra (3mm is too thick).
- Kay Dee
I figured I might as well post an update. I've made the shell beads used to trim the bodice of this costume. In a nut shell, I dyed Mini Pearl Trochus shells with Royal Blue Wood & Reed dye. I then drilled small holes using the dremel and a .021 size model making drill bit. Finally, the shells were sealed and shined with clear Krylon UV Resistant gloss spray.
Real Costume Shells:
If anyone is interested in the details of the entire process (it was almost a 2 week long project!) it's all noted in my live journal.
- Kay Dee
Skirt and shells look really nice. Keep up the good work and I can't wait to see the final product.
You've got way more patience than I do with all those shells, Kay_dee! I'm enjoying reading about your progress on this.
Just a little update for the forum
I spent my last few weeks playing with dye for this costume. For the silk on my skirt and top a combination of silver gray, teal, and gunmetal acid dye seems to be pretty close. Safari Gray procion dye may work fine on it's own for the velvet cloak, but I may try adding a touch of pewter to it.
Trying to determine how to get the blue pattern effect with the devore (burnout) pattern on the cloak was tricky. I had thought that the velvet was just double dyed using acid dye or alter-ego dye to dye the chiffon backing while leaving the pile off-white. However, double dying doesn't look so hot with white velvet. The blue tone seemed to glow right through and give my entire velvet a blue look, even though my pile was still off-white.
On a wild brain storm after trying many different things, I decided to try mixing a little jaquard silk color (used for silk painting) with my fiber etch. It's great! You can actually color the area you are burning out all in one shot. I don't think it would work for dark colors, but for pastel effecst (like Padme's robe) it is great. Since this was a test, I have not yet mixed colors to get ther right hue or tone.
- kay dee
Kay_Dee, it looks fabulous!
What color of velvet did you use for the cloak?
Ok, I made an observation:
A little ways back, Benae_Quee noticed some buttons on the back of this gown.
well, here's another picture of them:
Now, notice, in that picture there, the buttons look exactly like the one on the skirt in front:
So... what if the buttons on the back are identical to the one on the front?
To me the buttons appear to be silver with a pearlescent center. The silver would explain why the buttons look fabric covered from the side.
I'm having to dye my own velvet. I'll probably use safari Gray dye or a combination with that. So what you see posted is an early dye test and I didn't get the color dark enough yet.
Well, none of the photos are really clear of the buttons. I assumed the ones on the back were the same as the one in the front so I bought all the same button. It's one of those things that if we had thought to ask at FIDM then bibafett could have checked. But none of us asked so a lot about this costume still remains a mystery. *sigh*
I thought based on this pic that the buttons looked more golden, but I do agree in the fashion show they look silvery. Who knows. It also occured to me when I was searching for buttons that it might be a fabric covered button with a metal rim. Or a pearl type finish in the center.
- kay dee
WOW allot of options!
Thanks for posting those, though, Kay_Dee! Its hard to say color wise. From the front, it looks (to me) like a convex (curved in) button, with the outside silver, and the inside perhaps a gold, and then a pearlescent (or maybe light green?) center. Oh well. I so wish I knew on this one!
See, this is proof we just don't have a good enough photo to tell what kind of buttons they are. I thought they looked like a metal rim on the outside (gold or silvery) with either a) faux pearl-like slightly dome shape in the center b) slightly dome shaped satin covering in a blue to match the costume (fabric dyed to match).
I kind of gave up on finding the right buttons and settled on this from Britex. It's a few mm larger than what I think the costume uses (I think the costume buttons are about 12mm wide)
- kay dee
YES!!! That is EXACTLY what I was trying to describe! Of course I think the origionals have a bit more of a edge to them, but that is exactly the thing I would buy!!!!
Here's a little update on my slow costume progress. I've got my headband constructed and it's just waiting to be painted. It may be a few weeks until I paint it though. (I need to get paint to match the color of my dress fabric once it's dyed).
- The headband base is made of 2mm sintra shaped into a compound curve with the aid of a heat gun. It took quite a bit of work to get it to fit the shape of my head perfectly.
- The sintra was sanded and smoothed using superglue and spot glazing bondo as filler.
- The design is made of styrene strips. .06"x.08" for the borders, and .03"x.08" for the rungs between the borders. This alone took about 2 days to draw, then 3 days to cut and glue onto the headband.
Here are comparison pics
Hopefully I can get my fabric dyed by the end of the week so that I can confidently match up a paint color to use as a base before I highlight it with blue metallic rub n buff.
- kay dee