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Palpatine Created The Rebel Alliance...

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Admiral_JasterMereel, Jul 11, 2002.

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  1. Admiral_JasterMereel

    Admiral_JasterMereel Tucson FF Founding Member star 4

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    Is it possible that Supreme Chancellor Cos Palpatine not only created the Empire for himself, but also created the Rebel Alliance as some kind of personal enemy?

    Think about this. Dooku is under Palpatine's control and Dooku forms the Separatist Movement which removes certain organizations and unions from the Republic. People and more organizations begin disliking Palpatine's Republic and join the Separatists. The Republic becomes the Galactic Empire and the Separatists the Alliance. Maybe creating an enemy to toy with gave him more sense of power. What do you think?
     
  2. Kenobi217

    Kenobi217 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I don't know..I suppose it's a possibility..but if Palpatine did indeed form them, he's stupider than we had previously thought..considering the fact that he formed the organization that in the end defeated him. Palpatine does like the sense of power, but I think creating an enemy might be taking it a little too far. Good thoughts though.
     
  3. Admiral_JasterMereel

    Admiral_JasterMereel Tucson FF Founding Member star 4

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  4. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa

    Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling star 6

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    With the Clone War and all, your right. Sidious created a problem for himself.
     
  5. KaaShamau

    KaaShamau Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The Republic becomes the Galactic Empire and the Separatists the Alliance

    We don't know the origins of the Alliance yet, but I don't think they originate from the seperatists - more likely it begins as oppostion to Palpy in the Senate.
     
  6. k-man

    k-man Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Palpy obviously created the seperatists as an opposition to the republic to generate a conflict/war to get himself emergency powers. BUT, to take it two steps further and say that the seperatists become the alliance thus Palps created the alliance is a bit of a stretch.

    The seperatists (aside from being a tool of palpy's) seem to have wanted independence from the republic; the alliance sought to OVERTHROW the government...a slight difference in philosophy.
     
  7. Lord_Coras

    Lord_Coras Jedi Knight star 5

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    His name isn't Cos! [face_plain]
     
  8. Admiral_JasterMereel

    Admiral_JasterMereel Tucson FF Founding Member star 4

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  9. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Unless you can find something in the movies, scripts, novelizations, radio dramas, or EU, it's not Cos. That's just fan speculation, like Yoda being a "Whill".
     
  10. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE

    ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As far as I know nothing has stated his name is Cos. Not even the official site.

    Back to topic, I don't think Palpatine initially did, it would seen rather stupid on his behalf. And if he did, I bet he really kicked himself in the a$$ when they blew-up the Death Stars ;)



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  11. Ret

    Ret Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    By creating the Empire he creates the Rebellion.
     
  12. Admiral_JasterMereel

    Admiral_JasterMereel Tucson FF Founding Member star 4

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    Look on the www.imdb.com cast list. It says, Senator Cos Palpatine...
     
  13. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE

    ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's a fan thing. There is no official confirmation that his first name is Cos yet. Just look at the OS, it would state his first name as Cos.



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  14. KaaShamau

    KaaShamau Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Cos came from an early script, where the Emperor character was called Cos Da****.
    I don't think the Emperor we know in the films has a scripted first name.
     
  15. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Look on the www.imdb.com cast list. It says, Senator Cos Palpatine...

    It also says "Master Yoda D'Kana the Whill". Really now. Since when was IMDB a reliable source? They even have a bunch of AOTC quotes wrong!
     
  16. Admiral_JasterMereel

    Admiral_JasterMereel Tucson FF Founding Member star 4

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    Where does it say that's Yoda's name?
     
  17. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa

    Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Someone hacked into their system and put that there.
     
  18. Admiral_JasterMereel

    Admiral_JasterMereel Tucson FF Founding Member star 4

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    Ohhhhh...

    Then I was right...
     
  19. wilde_karrde2002

    wilde_karrde2002 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    It may be that Palpatine, at leadt indirectly, caused the formation of the Rebel Alliance. But creating the seperatist movement was just a ploy to :
    a) get himself into power
    b) see to it that he was given absolute power(thanks Jar Jar)
    c) create an army to help him carry out his policies

    As we see in the OT, once he become Emperor, Palpatine doesn't seemed concerned with any opposition, particuarly the Rebels. In fact, his total disrespect for the Alliance led to tactics that lead to his, and the Empire's downfall. So, he may have created the Alliance, but even at the end never considered it a true threat to him.

    As far as the seperatists go, they clearly stop being a factor sometime between the beginning of Ep.III and the beginning of Ep.IV/
     
  20. Phil-The-Fan

    Phil-The-Fan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Well it does make sense when you put into account that he lets the death star II plans fall into the hands of the rebelion.
     
  21. NML4891

    NML4891 Jedi Youngling

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    Palpatine didn't create the alliance. Although, it's a good theory. Palpatine knows there is power with resistence. That's why he instucted Dooku to create the separist movement. Because of the movement he was able to gain more power.
     
  22. kirby2112

    kirby2112 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Honestly, I don't think the seperatists become the rebel alliance. Bail Organa will eventually lead the rebels (I believe) and he has nothing to do with the seperatists. I believe the 'seperatists' will eventually meld with the empire, and the rebels come from people (including Organa, Padme, and the Jedi) who realize what the empire is and what the emperor really is. The rebels are a results of the empire being formed, which I believe will include the now republic and seperatists. What do you think?
     
  23. KitFisto22

    KitFisto22 Jedi Youngling

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    i agree with kirby, how would a reasonably powerful group like the seperatist movement end up as poor as the rebel alliance? also, imperial AT-ST's and AT-AT's came from those walkers that were in the seperatist army.
     
  24. ChancellorGoauld

    ChancellorGoauld Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Cos Palpatine - theres a laugh and a half.
    Why did the republic become the empire? 'Cos Palpatine is Sidious.
     
  25. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    KitFisto22: Those walkers belonged to the clonearmy....
     
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