Palpatine Kills Mace's Posse Too Easily

hmmm....

 

I don't see anything wrong with it.
Sidious is far, far faster than anyone they had ever seen, they had never in their life been in a lightsaber fight, they had never in their life confronted another force user, and they sure didn't expect his attack.

All that aside, the Jedi were punks, and they went out like they should have. There's nothing in any of the movies to suggest that they should have done better, absolutely nothing.

 

I agree with you Jedi-Atreides the jedi didnt have that power to stop/hold back palpatine's hatred of the jedi. The more hatred=more dark side power. Well the actor who played Agen Kolar (who got stabbed) either showed us that the dark side can cloud their judgement and cloud their sense to read the future thus making him seem confused.The following are the actors and character names Tux Akindoyeni .... Agen Kolar, Kenji Oates .... Saesee Tiin, Ben Cooke .... Kit Fisto (uncredited). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/fullcredits
See the jedi posse HERE!!! http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=I-AM-the-Senate
http://www.myfilehut.com/userfiles/ETAndElliot4Ever/Millennium%20Falcon%20GIF%20Stash/MF%20-%20SWEPIIIROTS%20-%20Agen%20Kolar%20Impaled.gif
http://www.myfilehut.com/userfiles/ETAndElliot4Ever/Millennium%20Falcon%20GIF%20Stash/MF%20-%20SWEPIIIROTS%20-%20Its%20Treason%20Then.gif

 

I think Matthew Stover should have written the screenplay. I know i'm going to catch holy hell for that but when I read his version in the novel b4 i saw the movie I was dying to see this scene. First he retrieves his saber from the middle of the statue in the middle of the room by igniting it with the force and letting it cut thru the statue to come to him. And then he goes and takes a couple out and then flies back accross the room and WINKS! HE FRICKIN WINKS AT 'EM. He's fighting 3 masters but he's not even stressing. In fact he has the prescence of mind to think about the fact that he can use the recording system in his office against the Jedi later for the senate.

I was all hyped up. Couldn't wait. Finally, the fight is starting. He doesn't retrieve his saber the same way but that's ok i'll live. Then he flies accross the room corkscrew style. I'm thinking "oh my god, YES". Then... he gets accross there and pauses. What? Why the hell would he pause? Why the hell wouldn't they as jedi masters at least lock blades if he's going to look into their eyes longingly before he kills them.

Seriously, did they even play this scene back before they let it out? How do you let them get wiped after a pause! YIKES

 

WINKS! HE FRICKIN WINKS AT 'EM.


That was a great scene in the book, with the security recording, and the wink. but i don't think the book was all that much better than the movie. it got a little repetetive with all the "This is what it feels like to be "" stuff. but you are right that scene would have made Palpatine look even more evil, and sinister,and would have been a awesome scene .


But The scene Where he takes out the Jedi Played fine to me. I just think that it was a confined space, and the Jedi appeared to be cramped and could not react fast enough. so Palpatine easily dispatched the other three, and then went one on one with Mace. Which is the real fight in that scene anyway.

 

I was okay with the posse deaths except Agen Kolar's. Kit was beat in a fair fight and Sasee was distracted by Agen's death. But Agen was clearly riding the shortbus to the jedi temple every moring. Palps thrust his sword notably slowly and Agen doesn't even try to parry it. I hated that.

 

But Agen was clearly riding the shortbus to the jedi temple every moring.


That's funny , maybe he was part of a Jedi special needs Jedi force. lol

 

I hated that scene...it was the worst in the world. I didn't really care about Saesee and Agen, 'cuz they were probably taken by surprise.... Actually now that I think of it it's kind of reasonable.

Agen: Completely taken by surprise, and gets killed.
Saesee: Distracted by Agen's death and gets killed.
Mace & Kit: Other side of the small "curve" of the wall and get to react fast enough.

Seeing as Mace was nearest to the doorway leading out, he probably retreated, and since Kit was farther away, he moved to retreat too and got cut down, getting a few blocks and such in.

 

The more I see it, the more I'm convinced that, so the audience could have time to focus on the action, when Palpatine attacks the 4 Jedi, what we're seeing is actually slowed down a bit and not as fast as it actually happened.

Did anyone see how fast Sidious pulled out and ignited his lightsaber for his Yoda duel? It happened in less than a second!

 

You know... correct me if I'm wrong, you know when Sidious does that spinn thing in the air? Well while he's doing it there's some kind of dark howl that u hear as he's doing it. It reminds me of a force power in

Knights of the old Republic 2

Force scream. PErhaps this is a version of that power that might of slowed their reaction, or stunned them perhaps?

 

Not likely. He was just really ticked off and let out a scream in his anger. You just have to believe that Palpatine is, as Ian says, "The fastest swordsmen in the galaxy" and caught them off guard.

 

I have part of a clip of the arrest hope you enjoy...
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=I-AM-the-Senate

 

People forget that a stab is very, very difficult to defend against. Couple that with the hate and power he has, his stabs are probably impossible for most Jedi to defend against.

 

I think the issue with that whole scene was bad directing.

The camera angles were horrific, the close up?s of Palpatine as he drove his Sabre into the first victim was just plain tacky.

The final lightsabre battle in TPM was filmed beautifully, why wasn?t such a PIVOTAL scene filmed in the same way??? Was it because of the lack of space???

I don?t know, I watched the whole Vader/Palpatine/Luke scene/battle in ROTJ the other night and that whole sequence show?s more heart & style than the 3 prequels combined.

If only Lucas had gotten over his Ego and handed the script & directorial duties to somebody who hasn?t lost there heart in all this Blue Screen crap then we would have a true cinema masterpiece on our hands not this embarrassing mess of a prequel trilogy.

God help the TV shows!!

 

I personally loved the close ups on Palps face, all the more evil!

The real question is, why was it so hard for Palps to kill Mace's Posse?

 

The question is not JUST whether it was too hard or soft, but the way it played out was not that great. I mean, the time limits are understandable, but you MUST have made time for this very important scene featuring the best the jedi have to offer and a 4 on 1 duel to showcase. No jedi should have died right away until Sidious force throws them (like Tyranus does) out the window. Then have him kill Kolar (not Fisto) last, and then duel Mace.

 

yeah, if you watch closely the first jedi "knight" that gets killed doesnt even block palpatine, he insta gets light sabered and dies, lamest ever. those 3 were not jedi knights they were so easy to kill, they shouldve lasted longer than they did

 

Yeah this scene could have been better. The build up was so good, the acting between SL Jackson and Ian is great and its sad that it was not more spectacular.

I loved the jump and the sound Palpatine made but after that, it was ... blaah...

 

He is an old actor...that is one factor.

These Jedi were fighting a guy who was the Chancellor...this has to throw you off to see this little guy fighting.

Palps went after the weakest to strongest.

 

I am reading the 'Making Of' book right now and I got the impression that Lucas was hurrying to keep on schedule and didn't do the best job directing that part of the duel. His attitude seemed to be "I need to get something on film to move the story forward."

 

I think that Lucas felt it would've taken too much time to film a four on one fight. So he opted to have Palpatine wipe out Tinn and Kolar quickly, have a bit of a fight with Fisto and then move on to Windu.

 

I think the issue with that whole scene was bad directing.

The camera angles were horrific, the close up?s of Palpatine as he drove his Sabre into the first victim was just plain tacky.

Explain exactly why. I loved the close ups, it was the first time we saw Palpatine have agression expression on his face in the PT. What does the word tacky mean to you?

The final lightsabre battle in TPM was filmed beautifully, why wasn?t such a PIVOTAL scene filmed in the same way??? Was it because of the lack of space??? Filmed by the same director you seem to hate. Explain what was wrong witht the Palpatine duel, other than simplistic "it was tacky" comments

I don?t know, I watched the whole Vader/Palpatine/Luke scene/battle in ROTJ the other night and that whole sequence show?s more heart & style than the 3 prequels combined. Probably from growing up with them helped more than anything. Nostalgia is very powerful. Some people will never be please by any new SW film unless Lucas let them make it theirselves.

If only Lucas had gotten over his Ego and handed the script & directorial duties to somebody who hasn?t lost there heart in all this Blue Screen crap then we would have a true cinema masterpiece on our hands not this embarrassing mess of a prequel trilogy.
LOL, to most of us it was not an embarrassing mess. Lucas has right to do what he wants to with his own creation. Not be ruled by individual fan fictions. Of course the PT would have never lived up to the OT no matter what Lucas did with it.

 

i think sidious's ability to put away the other jedi so easily is done to show the audience that he intentionally elongates his battle with mace windu while he waits for anakin to arrive and choose. i think lucas did this intentionally so viewers would be able to say 'hey wait a minute, i think sidious is stalling...'

 

Agen Kolar lasted awhile, the whole 2 seconds

 

yeah i agree how palpatine chooses the weakest jedi master first then finishes up to the strongest.

I keep wondering what was Agen doing before he was stabbed? Saesee was looking the other way and Agen was not even going to block or move out of the way..so when Palpatine was giving the Evil grin after he jumped that shouldve given them time to prepare. The death of Agen and Saesee was pathetic. Is it just me or did Kit Fisto die in like a fast motion it seemed like the part was in "fast forward."