Palpatine=Sidious ... its so obvious!

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  1. George Lucas Jedi Youngling

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    Hear me now and listen to me later...
    At the end of the movie there will occur a subtle scene in which Palpatine is revealed as Sidious - the phantom menace.
    All the evidence points in that direction.
    It would explain A LOT!
  2. Look_Sir_Droids Jedi Youngling

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    Not sure about that one. The future emperor is rumored to be someone other than the Palpatine played by Ian Mcdiamod. Its a possibility though,and it could be cool. I don't think anything that big about Palpatine will be revealed until Episode II. That's a good rumor to spread, though.
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  3. Darth Zykalus Jedi Youngling

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    Sidious is Palpatine, mmm don't think so, I imagine something else, there is probably a link between the two I'm sure but being the same.. Sure Sidious looks like ROTJ's emperor, but Palpatine in episode I look a lot, fresher I'd say

    I believe that the title refer more to Anakin than the emperor...
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  4. Look_Sir_Droids Jedi Youngling

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    I agree with Darth Zykalas.
  5. Darth Zykalus Jedi Youngling

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  6. Xaxis Jedi Youngling

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    They definately look similar, at least the action figures do. I can see it as a possibility, but I think it would kinda suck unless it was done right. Sounds too much like a Scooby-Doo episode. Especially with "The Phantom Menace" as the title.
  7. Look_Sir_Droids Jedi Youngling

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  8. Portal Jedi Youngling

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    Right now, I'm leading towards an interpretation that Sidious is completely different from Palpatine yet is orchestrating the downfall of the Republic with him. Palpatine is subverting from the inside and Sidious is manipulating the Federation to hurt the Republic from the outside. Sidious encourages Palpatine's dark side abilities and upon Darth Maul's death, Palpatine becomes more of a Sith apprentice. Becoming more and more powerful and power-hungry, Palpatine uses Anakin and his strength in the Force to usurp Sidious's shadowy reign. (Personally, and this is complete speculation, I think Sidious haul's tail and lands on Dagobah where he is summarily defeated by Yoda, creating that neat cave effect) Palpatine is now Emperor and Vader is henchman, and they hunt down the Jedi. This makes some sense, given that Vader offered Luke a similar proposal on Bespin. Plenty of dramatic possibilities and chances for heroism, even in the midst of tragedy.
  9. FallenJedi Jedi Youngling

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    What is all your evidence?
  10. Look_Sir_Droids Jedi Youngling

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    I don't think Sidious went to Dagobah. He didn't create the dark side. The cave is strong witht the dark side just because. If he was merely defeated, any remnants of the dark side created by Sidious on Dagobah would be gone, I would think. Hence, I don't think he would be the origin of the cave. I hate to even speculate this. I would rather GL just tell the story.
  11. Mfou Jedi Youngling

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    If you've looked at the figures they recently posted in the collecting section, they only show the bottom half Sidious' face. However, it looks an awful lot like the lower half of Senator Palpatine's face. As to the previous theory that Sidious trains Palpatine, one of Sidious' quotes mentions something about "training a young apprentice" which does not seem to apply to Palpatine.
  12. Blank Jedi Youngling

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    Palpatine=Sidious ... its so obvious!

    Yes, it's so obvious, and therefore it won't be like that at all. Agatha Christie's books would have been pretty boring if the obvious killer was always the killer.
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  13. GuanoLad Jedi Youngling

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    Blank! Where have you been?

    Exactly right. Sidious is merely a Dark Lord of the Sith. Just as Palpatine becomes.

    Clearly the Dark Side destroys the body faster and more devastatingly than the Light Side does, and in a similar way every time.

    The robes will be just symbolic, in the same way as Jedi Robes are.
  14. George Lucas Jedi Youngling

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    I'm so certain of this that I'd be willing to entertain any bets that you all may wager! Granted, it may be several years (Episode2) until the truth be revealed, but we could work something out! I'd rather not have to "toot my own horn" by saying that "I told you so" - so lets just wager.
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  15. MaGnUs Darklighter Jedi Youngling

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    Ok, I know most of you dismiss EU stuff as fake, but in a book it is said that a Dark Jedi died in the Dark Side cave, thus creating it. And that Yoda (Light Side powerful) hid in Dagobaha because de Dark Side cave hid him, like, Dark Side & Light Side emisions canceling each other.
  16. kainchild Jedi Youngling

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    umm how come palpatine is somehow always connected to the emperor? I mean he is a representitive of naboo which is suppose to be good. Oh well I guess shouldnt question you guys you got connections to everyone working on the film...
  17. lazerman Jedi Youngling

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    If you read the lines that are on the back of Palpatines action figure, he talks about how the Old Republic is corrupt and that there will be a new chancellor. I belive that palpatine is the emperor and that he gets the idea of the use of the dark side by betraying Sidious some how. Mind you what I am saying is only specultation, and when you all realise that whatever is said here is just speculation there will be no need for wagers. ( BY THE WAY I THINK I WILL WIN ANY WAGER heh heh)
  18. bone Jedi Youngling

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    I said in another thread a while ago that palpatine and sidious could be the same person. I also think that the idea of sidious and palpatine orchestrating the downfall of the republic together is intriguing. Maybe they begin to crumble the republic and palpatine kills sidious to take over.
  19. Look_Sir_Droids Jedi Youngling

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    Here's another possibility: Sidious kills Palpatine and assumes his identity. If Palpatine was sort of radical in the beginning, it would be easy for Sidious to exploit his identity and expand the ideas.

    MaGnUs- Okay, at least you can back that (the cave) up. I'll still wait for GL to mention that until I take a side.
  20. Paradox Moderator Emeritus

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    Well, I don't want to sound cruel, but this has been discussed many times before. However, with new evidence, it is worth continuing to discuss.

    Here's my newest (crazy, as always) theory...

    Darth Sidious is a fake person, created by Palpatine. When Sidious is forced to make "public appearances," Palpatine just puts on a robe and hides his face.

    Our greedy little Emperor-to-be then sets it up so that Chancellor Valorum finds out that Darth Sidious is not real. When Valorum tries to tell the Senate this, Palpatine strikes. He accuses Valorum of treason for aiding the enemies of the Republic. With a mounting wall of evidence that Sidious does exist (despite the fact he doesn't), Valorum is forced to resign, and Palpatine is triumphantly elected to fill the position.

    If you don't think this is possible, remember Sidious's description...

    "Cloaked in flowing robes and shrouded in evil, Darth Sidious is a Dark Lord of the Sith and the mysterious power behind the Trade Federation's blockade of Naboo. As he conspires and manipulates, he keeps his presence -- and his true intentions -- well hidden."

    Sounds like somebody who could just be a fake, right? Now, you might be saying that there isn't any real evidence there to support my theory, but if you were GL, would you put any evidence on a toy package that's going to be released before the movie? It'd be like putting the description, "The father of Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader..." on an ESB toy! (And don't even think of telling me I'm having a self-reinforced delusion! ) So, if my theory is right, he's put just enough on that package to avoid lying... Sort of like Obi-Wan telling Luke about Anakin.

    Also, recall Palpatine's description:

    "A political and tactical mastermind, Senator Palpatine represents the people of Naboo in the Galactic Senate and engineers his own election as Supreme Chancellor of the Republic."

    Again, it fits perfectly with my theory.

    So... What do you think of my newest crazy theory??? I swear, one of these is going to have to be right...

    Paradox

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  21. Hung Solo Jedi Youngling

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    Palpatine and Sidious could be clones of someone, either Palpy of Sid, or (I don't think its as likely) Sid of Palpy. You can keep your money, because we've seen a clue to this in Dark Empire.
    It'd be a perfect reason to start some Clone Wars-- either the Galctic Chancellor's clone became the evil Darth Sidious, or an Evil Lord of the Sith was allowed to be cloned and that clone became the Chancellor. Do I hear the Naboo screaming "Impeachment!" ???
  22. Hung Solo Jedi Youngling

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    Palpatine and Sidious could be clones of someone, either Palpy of Sid, or (I don't think its as likely) Sid of Palpy. You can keep your money, because we've seen a clue to this in Dark Empire.
    It'd be a perfect reason to start some Clone Wars-- either the Galctic Chancellor's clone became the evil Darth Sidious, or an Evil Lord of the Sith was allowed to be cloned and that clone became the Chancellor. Do I hear the Naboo screaming "Impeachment!" ???
  23. Hung Solo Jedi Youngling

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    Palpatine and Sidious could be clones of someone, either Palpy of Sid, or (I don't think its as likely) Sid of Palpy. You can keep your money, because we've seen a clue to this in Dark Empire.
    It'd be a perfect reason to start some Clone Wars-- either the Galctic Chancellor's clone became the evil Darth Sidious, or an Evil Lord of the Sith was allowed to be cloned and that clone became the Chancellor. Do I hear the Naboo screaming "Impeachment!" ???
  24. Hung Solo Jedi Youngling

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    Palpatine and Sidious could be clones of someone, either Palpy of Sid, or (I don't think its as likely) Sid of Palpy. You can keep your money, because we've seen a clue to this in Dark Empire.
    It'd be a perfect reason to start some Clone Wars-- either the Galctic Chancellor's clone became the evil Darth Sidious, or an Evil Lord of the Sith was allowed to be cloned and that clone became the Chancellor. Do I hear the Naboo screaming "Impeachment!" ???
  25. Hung Solo Jedi Youngling

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    Palpatine and Sidious could be clones of someone, either Palpy of Sid, or (I don't think its as likely) Sid of Palpy. You can keep your money, because we've seen a clue to this in Dark Empire.
    It'd be a perfect reason to start some Clone Wars-- either the Galctic Chancellor's clone became the evil Darth Sidious, or an Evil Lord of the Sith was allowed to be cloned and that clone became the Chancellor. Do I hear the Naboo screaming "Impeachment!" ???
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