Lit Palpatine's Origins...

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  1. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    Would you care to explain a bit? I have never read the novel.
  2. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Nobody is "destined" to do anything.

    Palpatine made his own choices. He chose to become a Sith. Had he not met Plagueis, he most likely would have chosen to do something evil other than being a Sith.

    But it would have been his choice.

    I don't see the Palpatine we met in Plagueis choosing to do anything good or compassionate with his life, but could he have chosen to do so? Absolutely. It just wasn't likely.

    On the racing: Wild Space mentioned that Palpatine won several racing cups when he was younger. He was discussing this with Bail and Padme as he flew them out to see the damage from a bomb in the Senatorial District. They were surprised that he was flying his own speeder. He said he never mentioned his winning cups because "likes to fly large vehicles really fast" wouldn't have been much of a campaign slogan. (Paraphrase on my part, I don't have the book in front of me.)
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  3. Iron_lord Force Ghost

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    I do:

    "You're going to fly us?" said Bail, comically surprised. "Sir, I can-"

    "No, no, that won't be necessary," said Palpatine, waving aside his concern. Actually, I'm quite an accomplished pilot. And every so often I enjoy carting myself about the place. Not that this is a pleasure trip, obviously. But I'd like you both to concentrate on the results of the Separatists' attack." Taking in their continued hesitation, he added, "Did you want to see my licence? It is current, I promise. You'll be perfectly safe."

    Padme grinned. She couldn't help it. Here was the Palpatine she remembered of old. Energetic, unexpected, with a sly sense of the ridiculous. She turned to Bail. "The Chancellor's right, Senator. You'll be quite safe. He won several cups for airspeeder racing back on Naboo."

    "He did?" said Bail, relaxing. "I don't recall that being mentioned in the Senate."

    "Oh yes," said Palpatine drily. "What a useful recommendation for my candidacy. Likes to drive dangerous machines very fast."

    "Well, if you do, Supreme Chancellor, you're not alone," said Bail. "I've been known to break a speed limit myself, once or twice."

    Palpatine's smile was conspiratorial. "And it shall remain our secret, my friend. Now, Senators, if you'd care to join me?"
  4. JackG Force Ghost

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    That...seems...very fanfic-y, but that could just be me.
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  5. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    It's actually a fun book, Jack.
  6. Iron_lord Force Ghost

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    I found it fun, at least. The next two by Miller, less so- but I didn't find them especially horrible, either.
  7. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I liked the books for the Anakin and Obi-Wan friendship. I also enjoyed seeing Padme as a brilliant politician, and her friendship with Bail, which was completely platonic of course--it's always good to see an author who can write a male and female character as close friends without it having to lead to ****ing. Also, Palpatine was well done, slimy, sneaky, made me want a shower after reading scenes with him in it.

    Plus there was a nice A/P scene in Wild Space involving the two of them in bed with Anakin getting naughty with some fruit.
  8. Sable_Hart Force Ghost

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    It was kinda bizarre at first, but I suppose Palpatine's hobbies can't just extend to torturing furry animals.
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  9. Sable_Hart Force Ghost

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    Oh Lord. "Padme, do you wanna see something else that is messy and gets everywhere... but isn't sand?"
  10. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    LOL. But no, Anakin was actually smooth in this scene.
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  11. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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    My reading of the racing stuff in Plagueis was that Palpatine used it as an excuse to kill people. I think that's why Luceno put it there (apart from having to put it there because of Wild Space), but maybe that's just my interpretation. I think it's quite clear that he ran over those pedestrians on purpose, though.

    P.S. I'm so sure he wouldn't have a valid driver's license by the Clone Wars.... :p
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  12. darklordoftech Force Ghost

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    Then I must ask, who are those pedestrians he ran over? If he ran them over on purpose, they must be of some importence (unless Palpatine truly enjoys killing innocent people).
  13. Chewbacca89 Force Ghost

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    Good question. Do we know the names of the people he ran over?
  14. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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    We don't. But think like an unhinged murderous psychopath: what's the fun of killing people you know? Innocent strangers' where it's at. [face_devil]
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  15. Chewbacca89 Force Ghost

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    True. I guess the question is did he kill just for the fun of it, or were they a target of some sort due to a personal vendetta?
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  16. Ulicus Lit'ari

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    You realise that this just further goes to show that Qui-Gon Jinn messed everything up.

    If Qui-Gon hadn't interfered, Anakin would have gone on to be a galaxy-famous Pod Racer. Palpatine, the racing fan, would have gone to watch one of his races. During the race, Anakin would have suddenly received a "hey, just swerve a little" nudge from the Force and have followed it, like he did all his instincts. Then, boom, he'd have gone thundering into the spectators' box, killing Palpatine and bringing balance to the Force.
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  17. darklordoftech Force Ghost

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    [face_laugh]
  18. Havac Some Guy Who Moderates Lit

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    All Miller's books read like fanfic. Sometimes it's kind of interesting, but usually . . . yeah, it's weird.
  19. FatSmel Jedi Grand Master

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    This is going to sound incredibly sexist . . . but I haven't read a Star wars book written by a female that i've found to be of great quality. Perhaps with the execption of The Truce at Bakura/Balance Point.

    I know it sounds bad, but it's the truth.
  20. FatSmel Jedi Grand Master

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    ^Add Hard Contact onto that list
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  21. _Catherine_ Force Ghost

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    It's probably because the authors are women, not because Star Wars books tend to be low quality in general.
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  22. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Come on, the description of the dinner party in The Truce at Bakura was exquisite.
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  23. darklordoftech Force Ghost

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    Probably because of the proportion of female to male Star Wars book authors.
  24. FatSmel Jedi Grand Master

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    It's probably because the authors are women, not because Star Wars books tend to be low quality in general.[/quote]

    Once again, this is purely what i have found, but off the top of my head I can't think of an adult SW book that hasn't been written by woman, and that I haven't liked.
    I think karen Traviss had the potential, but ruined it with her twisted journalistic viewpoints.
  25. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    You like a hell of a lot more of the books than I do.
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