Lit Pellaeon and the Imperial Remnant (split from Thrawn thread)

Palleaon was head of the remnant from the Gavrisom-Palleaon Treaty to his death at Veila's hands. He was a very significant figure. Whose influence lasted arguably until the end of the Sith Imperial War

 

His eight whole sectors. Yeah, real important. He took the Empire from being the Empire to making it Hapes.

 

30 Sectors at the end.

I'd also like to point out that the real person who brought down the Empire was Kir Kanos.

The Empire's worst loyalist.

 

How much territory you have isn't important in the long run-it's what you do with it when you have it.

Any IU historian could legitimately argue that Palleon was one of the most important people of the first century ABY.

 

Yeah, Roan Fel did a bang-up job with that. Lost his throne to Darth Krayt. Tried unsuccessfully to use a Sith Talisman to take it back and when that failed, tried to kill every living being in Coruscant. Which wouldn't even have killed a single Sith, since Fel was duped by Darth Maladi.



How exactly did the Fel Empire save the Galaxy from the Sith?

 

Cade is technically part of the Royal Family?

I will say the Fel Empire didn't cover itself in glory but neither did any of the galaxy's other heroes.

 

Yeah, no. Cade didn't give a damn about the Fel Family.

 

The Fel Empire was a lot more than Roan Fel.

They did have to stumble to find the right path.

There are parallels to Anakin Skywalker's journey and that of the Fel Empire.

Granted Cade had a big hand in the galaxy saving as well, but I do feel like it was a pretty big group effort in the end. Cade, Empire, Stazi, even the Jedi eventually came around.

Funny, I seem to recall him bringing her back from the brink of death.

Of course mabe that was just to repay her for saving his life just before that.

 

Also, Cade treats his family like Bantha poodoo.

 

I imagine Cade as a pirate didn't care, Cade as a rogue Jedi who didn't want to answer the call of destiny and the demands of family probably understood that helping Marasiah was the right thing to do.

 

The Imperial Knights were the only ones in Fel's Empire that had any real autonomy. The rest lived and died by their Emperor's command.

But they didn't have to stumble to find the right path. They just needed Roan Fel to die. Marasiah made an excellent Empress. Though I do wonder how much of Roan Fel's degeneration was from stress over losing his throne versus Hogrum Chalk's subtle manipulations.

You know we never did get an answer as to why he was so determined to see his brother in-law die.

 

Damn, he could really rock that earring.

 

I'd imagine Skywalker should go just between 1 and 2 or 2 and three there....

 

Top 20 at the absolute least.

Any way there is no need to be belligerent.

 

Absolutely. Without question. The man held the Imperial fleet together for the first five years after Endor through a revolving door of Imperial leaders, united Daala's warlord fleets with the scattered Imperial rim factions to create a unified and functioning Imperial remnant, negotiated peace with the New Republic in order to ensure that the Empire would live on, personally signed a document that brought an end to the two-decades-long Galactic Civil War, helped Galactic Alliance High Command defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, led the Galactic Alliance military to victory over the Killiks, played a long game with the Remnant and gradually reclaimed territory and influence over the years, and set the foundation for what would later be the Fel Empire and a massive Imperial resurgence. Everything that happened with the Remnant, the Fel Empire, and the Empire-in-Exile happened because of him --- they all sat on his shoulders and reaped the benefits of his accomplishments. His legacy is objectively and unquestionably massive.

 

Indeed that's what I've been saying the past two pages of this thread.

 

Roan Fel did not save the galaxy; His Empire did.

 

I don't understand how anyone can blame the shape of the Remnant on Pellaeon. It was Carnor Jax's assassination which caused the original Empire's collapse. When the Empire was re-unified under Daala it was a terribly small state. Pellaeon kept the Remnant alive against all odds, surviving to the end of the war. From there onward, under his leadership the Remnant went from eight to thirty. The Empire prospered under Gilad Pellaeon.

 

It did shrink a lot between Pellaeon's appointment as Supreme Commander by Daala, and the Treaty - though that was due to Pellaeon obeying the Moffs even when he thought their plan was downright crazy:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Remnant

Over the next several years, the Remnant continued to wilt, but Pellaeon scored a personal victory when he reclaimed the Chimaera, his old flagship, from the New Republic's Admiral Ackbar at the Battle of Gravlex Med.[4]In the year 16 ABY, two Star Destroyers of the long-lost Black Fleet emerged from the Koornacht Cluster and joined the Remnant, as did the experimental weapons test bed EF-X.[113] During this largely peaceful period, Imperial systems near the Hydian Way began to push for an end to the hostilities between the Imperial Remnant and the New Republic, an offer made all the more enticing in 17 ABY when[1] the New Republic Senate made a peace offering by allowing former Imperials to hold elected office. The Council of Moffs believed it to be a prelude to invasion[9] and secretly contacted Admiral Daala, who had united a group of Replacement warlords in the Deep Core. They proposed that she aid the Remnant in a decisive campaign against the New Republic,[1] and when she obliged, they similarly ordered Pellaeon into battle.[9] Although he believed the plan to be a mad one, he acquiesced to the council's wishes, hoping that a handful of victories would allow him to convince the Moffs to seek a peace treaty.[1] The Remnant thus launched their campaign to reclaim formerly-held sectors, believing that the New Republic would decline to respond in full force out of a fear of creating a public relations debacle.[114]
After scoring a victory at Adumar, Pellaeon launched surprise strikes at Taris and Champala, the latter an Inner Rim world.[1] Both battles were Imperial victories;[61] concurrently, Daala was handily defeated at Columus by the New Republic Fourth Fleet under General Garm Bel Iblis. With Daala out of the war,[1] Bel Iblis's fourth fleet, as well as the Third and fifth fleets under Admiral Ackbar, routed Pellaeon's forces at Champala,[9] Taris,[61] Ketaris, and Tangrene. The final engagement came at Anx Minor, where Pellaeon deployed the Dominion, Megador, and the EF-X—renamed the Rakehell—hoping for a repeat of Orinda. However, New Republic Intelligence knew of a weak point in the Rakehell's armor, against which Ackbar ordered multiple strikes. The ship's antimatter reservoir exploded,[9] destroying six Star Destroyers,[17] damaging the Megador, and prompting Pellaeon to order a retreat to Bastion.[9] The Remnant's navy was decimated,[4] and it found itself controlling a mere eight sectors in a strategically unimportant area of the Outer Rim[114] with a single major shipyard.[3] Pellaeon told the eight remaining Moffs that he was finished obeying their orders; as five years of work had been undone in a matter of weeks, they accepted his proclamation.[9] One year later, when the Corellian Crisis erupted, the New Republic kept a tight lid on the Remnant throughout the duration of the conflict.[16]

 

Pellaeon helped by a lot, lets be real. Under him the Remnant eventually grew into a new, royal Second Empire under the Fel Dynasty. In Disney Canon where this is left to the First Order, all we see is a fanatical fascist state that probably won't live past the ST.

 

I tend to agree - had he died shortly after creating it (after Daala's resignation) - the Moffs in the Pentastar Alignment territorial zone would probably never have made peace with the New Republic, and the Remnant would have been slowly but surely ground down to nothing.

 

No. Cade Skywalker did that.

 

Cade's actions would not be possible without the heroism, tenacity, and fighting spirit of the True Empire.

Also before Thrawn's reemergence in 9 ABY the empire literally began warring against itself all those warlords, the occasional dark siders(Lumiya, Hethrir, the villains you face as Kyle and so on) Palleaon holding the ship together is remarkable in that for the longest time he wasn't the the biggest baddest force on the bloc, he wasn't a legitimate successor, and he didn't have the connections some people did(Jax, Isard). Many an imperial officer would join a warlord, defect or go home in such a dismal situation. Palleaon did not.