Lit Pellaeon and the Imperial Remnant (split from Thrawn thread)

Or his ship had a lack of proper communications gear - making it impossible for him to issue orders to large numbers of ships at once.

 

Well, that's why Command Ships exist. Oh wait!

I do think Teshik from the description was having a bit of a mental breakdown then as his "human side' reactivated according to canon. It's very possible he was trying to simply fight the conflict as best he could but was not actually taking control. Thrawn's description of the battle was the Chain of Command had broken down entirely.

Interestingly, it's also clear Pellaeon himself didn't have facts which are common knowledge to us as viewers.

He was under the impression Vader died on the Executor and was commanding the battle rather than Admiral Piett and Moff Jerjerrod.

 

Where do I go to find that? It sounds good.
"Tyranny: By the People, For the People"

 

Palleon preserved the rump empire and ensured that it would come back again in the future. He was far more astute than Isard.

 

The Trek forums are thataway.

 

The end of the Galactic Civil War was near
When quite accidentally,
A Imperial who freezed abruptly seized
Victory and reversed it to defeat.

His medal of dishonor sleazed and stilled
his proud little naval troop.
While pinning it on some blood was spilled
And so it was planned he'd command Thrawn Group.

Where lightsaber fights are colorful sights
and nobody takes a lickin'
Where Wookiee and Noghri
Both turn pitten.

When killing and fighting get them down,
They know their morale can't droop.
As long as they all relax in town
Before they resume with a bang and a boom
Thrawn Group!

 

(Legends) Canon doesn't really support that idea, though. Numerous sources have established how much disarray the Imperial forces were in and how much of their fighting spirit had been lost (possibly because of the loss of battle meditation), going all the way back to Heir to the Empire and even further to the Return of the Jedi novelization. The Rebel forces had taken losses too, and maybe the Empire could have pulled one off, but that supposition is by no means a sure thing.

 

Most of the other worlds in Pelly's shoes would have fought on until the NR was landing on Bastion-suicide. Palleaon didn't like seeing a rump empire, he did what was necessary to ensure the empire's survival.

 

Which, of course, shows the Empire will always suck as 90% jumped ship to join the Sith when Krayt took over.

Really bang up job, there, Pellaeon.

 

Heck even earlier a large portion of them jumped ship to join Caedus, even after his last command was literally the direct opposite of that.

 

The moffs didn't jump ship-Krayt made it abundantly clear it was that or death.

Also the Sith helped them win the war against the GA-Fel didn't even want the war to begin with-and even then they weren't "heck yeah let's serve under tattooed dark siders again!"

The Imperial Knights, 501st legion, and quite a few others remained loyal to Fel.

Palleon ensured the empire would endure so that one day(111 years later) it would be the GA on its knees surrendering.

 

Edit: Warlords

Teshik fought on because he knew he was going to die either way, and given his vision probably didn't see any point in putting out much effort, heck he may have wished to be captured to he could tell somebody about his encounter with the eternality of war.

And those "dregs" came back and conquered the GA. Those "dregs" helped win the Vong War, those "Dregs" gained legitimacy in the eyes of the galactic populace in the face of endless incompetence, failure, and corruption in the GA.

Palleaon payed with his life too for not playing ball with Caedus(as much as I'm jacen fan his stubbornness is remarkable)

 

It doesn't seem like Who's Who mentions Pellaeon at all, so the only thing we know about Pellaeon and Teshik's interactions in the battle come from Warfare, which states that even Teshik's arrival couldn't hold back the advances the Rebels were making --- the battle was chaotic and the Rebels were winning even after Teshik arrived. That makes me suspect that with Teshik's ship being the only Imperial vessel left in the fight, the Rebels probably didn't throw very much at it --- if his arrival couldn't make a difference when the rest of Death Squadron was still there, then there's no way he would have lasted for four hours against the entire Rebel fleet. I'd guess that he only lasted as long as he did because the Rebels considered the battle already won and committed a small token force to mop up the one remaining enemy ship.

Warfare states that Teshik's arrival didn't make a difference, and in the middle of such a chaotic battle when the Imperial forces were getting eaten alive, Pellaeon called a retreat in order to allow the Imperial fleet to regroup. Canon doesn't portray it as the perfect decision --- Pellaeon spends the entire trip to Annaj haunted by his decision and wondering if he's done the right thing --- but canon doesn't portray it as mutinous (he legitimately had command of the fleet) or as any sort of deathblow to the Empire, either.

We can speculate that Death Squadron would have won the battle if Pellaeon had remained with Teshik, but I think it more likely that the Rebels would have continued making inroads and picking apart the Imperial fleet, that the confusion and disorder surrounding the Imperials would have continued and even worsened, and that Teshik's last stand would have been cut short with the entire Rebel fleet still at play. Either outcome is just speculation, but since Teshik's arrival on the scene didn't do anything to turn the tide of the battle, I have doubts that Pellaeon sticking around to support him would have turned out well for the Empire.

 

Again, that 'Empire' had most of the bureaucracy and surrendered army of the Galactic Alliance. After that coup on Coruscant, the Alliance could've easily risen up against the Sith, but only a small remnant fleet stood out up until the end when presumably more GA Forces joined up. Much of the GA Army willingly went on and served Krayt as his local police forces, hell even the legal successor to the Alliance Government, the Triumvirate, was under Krayt's thumb even if it was new figures. The core of the Fel Empire in the Northern Outer Rim remained with Roan Fel, while Stazi only had hidden support from a few planets and no actual territory.

So I guess that'd make it the third time the GA (AKA the legitimate successor of the Rebellion and New Republic, but definitely not the Old Republic) has little to no issues with supporting a war criminal. Caedus, Daala, Krayt...

Don't just take my word for it though, there's the Legacy Era Campaign Guide quoted by Wookieepedia

 

What would be the point of wasting Imperial lives in a battle that you are outnumbered in? The rebels always used numbers to their advantage after the theft of Coruscant. It took quite a while to build up Bastion and to develop the R&D programs that allowed the Empire to actually have tech equal to or better than the rebels on a larger scale.. such as the TIE Advanced fighter, which was a superior ship to the X Wing in literally every way.... but was really abandoned except for Vader's ship.

 

This right here is why whoever the Admiral of the Fleet is should have Moffs publicly executed on a regular basis, just to show the remainders that they should NEVER buck the military command. The problem with Moffs is they are more interested in personal power and authority than they are in loyalty.... Lacersen and his traitorous ilk siding with Daala against Jagged Fel showed that.

 

Not really. Look at the map. The only parts of the Empire that sided with Krayt were the conquered territory. The entirety of Fel's territory prior to the war remained loyal to him. Why should the provincials care who sat on the throne? They didnt--but the original citizens of the Empire sided with Fel.

 

Uh huh....

So the Galactic Alliance switched sides to fight for the people who conquered them even though all the people who conquered them were no longer fighting against them.

 

The galactic alliance began losing the war as soon as the Sith intervened in force.

We don't get the details of the Sith Imperial war-my impression is that is was a stalemate-the empire had been getting stronger while the GA was weaker not to mention a separatist crisis as a result of the failure of the Ossus project. The Jedi were keeping things stable and Fel didn't even really want the war-if he kept his own knights from participating that speaks volumes about his enthusiasm.

Once the Sith joined the war the empire(and the Chiss) apparently prosecuted it far more effectively and the GA crumbled the Jedi could simply no longer stem the tide.

If Palleon didn't surrender a century and a decade earlier the NR would have have eventually occupied and conquered the IR. Which given succeeding galactic history may have been a bad thing.

 

Palleon ensured the empire wouldn't die with the NR raising its flag over Bastion and the last stormtroopers surrendering, his policies maintained the empire's institutional and military strength, his prudence with diplomacy ensured the empire didn't face the wrath of the Vong or join a losing horse win the NR and yet joined the GA win victory was on the horizon.

He reluctantly supported Caedus and Niathal-well that was the moffs yet refused to let Caedus fully clietalize the IR which would have been bad.

It's because of Palleon's prudence and foresight the Fel's Imperial mission and goodwill policies got the time of day and were well received.

There are a lot of incompetent politicians in SW-Daala, Isard, Caedus(really firebombing Kashyyyk wasn't in his best interests), Borsk.

Palleaon stands with Vitiate, Revan, Palpatine, and Lord Hoth for political prudence.

 

Borsk was a very competent politician, who's views were almost entirely right. He just had the poor luck of pushing policies that opposed the Skywalkers, and got hit hard with the sci-fi valorization of the lone military man over the elected government.