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ST People cannot talk to droids.

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by thenumberjuggler, Dec 18, 2015.

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  1. thenumberjuggler

    thenumberjuggler Jedi Padawan

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    I know you're going to say:"we're going to the Dagobah system R2".

    But that struck me as strange when Luke said it. My rationalization has always been that he was in the ship. R2 is connected to the ship so Luke can understand him. I'm pretty sure Anakin does the same thing in Menace.

    Unless they're connected to a ship people cannot talk to droids. Those noises R2 makes aren't speech, it would be like having a conversation with a modem. If I'm wrong about this please provide me with which characters speak at what time in which movie. I'd like to be wrong to be honest it would remove a major continuity gripe I have.
     
  2. Fjw1970

    Fjw1970 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    When Luke talked to R2 in the x-wing there was a screen with a translation on it.
     
  3. RobShanti

    RobShanti Jedi Master star 4

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    Rey speaks to BB-8 throughout the entire TFA. That's all that's needed.

    Just because you may not have noticed someone understanding Binary in a previous film doesn't mean it isn't possible or constitutes a continuity error.

    One could make the same complaint about the possibility of understanding the animals sounds of a Wookiee to the point of specificity.
     
  4. kevmp

    kevmp Jedi Master star 3

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    Anakin seemed to have an innate ability to communicate with and understand Artoo, but I'm basing this on the Clone Wars cartoon not the movies.
     
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  5. RobShanti

    RobShanti Jedi Master star 4

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    The Clone Wars cartoons do make canonical the possibility of a human understanding binary.
     
  6. EviL_eLF

    EviL_eLF Force Ghost star 5

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    Luke talks to Artoo all the time...not just when they're both in the X-Wing.

    Artoo twitters at Luke when Yoda is about to take Luke to his hut, Luke replies "no artoo, you stay and look after the camp"

    It seems that only those who deal with astromechs regularly can understand them. We see this when Rey can understand Beebee, but Finn can't.

    Luke didn't understand Artoo in ANH, but does in the rest of the saga, everyone else needs Threepio to interpret for Artoo.

    Poe talks with Beebee no problem...
     
  7. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Chosen One star 6

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    Rey can understand Wookiee, droid and other alien languages. Along with this she can fix things, fly things, do mind tricks and generally kick ass. You might assume that there is something very, very special about her or possibly she did a lot of distance learning courses in her AT-AT home.
     
  8. RobShanti

    RobShanti Jedi Master star 4

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    Good call, EviL. That's right...now that you mention it, I do recall that dialogue between Luke and R2 on Dagobah.
     
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  9. hippie1kenobi

    hippie1kenobi Force Ghost star 4

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    I think what you mean to say is "people cannot understand droids". They talk to them all the time.

    If BB models have an understandable syntax and lexicon, there is no reason a person couldn't learn it. It is thirty years later and a new droid model.
     
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  10. Rookhelm

    Rookhelm Jedi Master star 4

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    ESB: Han is standing on the falcon, that little droid walks over, bleeps at Han...Han says something like, "There's got to be a reason for it, check it at the other end...wait a second" then finishes his conversation with Luke.
     
  11. BK201

    BK201 Jedi Padawan

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    Rey is Galen Marek's daughter.
     
  12. thenumberjuggler

    thenumberjuggler Jedi Padawan

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    wow fast answer. So some people can talk to (more importantly understand) droids, cool.
     
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  13. EviL_eLF

    EviL_eLF Force Ghost star 5

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    That's because Artoo's link for communication was not an audible one through the X-wing.
     
  14. sbk1234

    sbk1234 Jedi Knight star 1

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    This was exactly the point I was going to make, but you beat me to it.
    Also, in Rebels, everyone seems to be able to understand Chopper's beeps and whistles.
    I got the impression in the first two trilogies that most people picked up on droids' tone of their beeps and could more or less take a guess at what the droids were saying.

    Honestly, I'm not crazy about the idea of people understanding droidspeak - that's what protocol droids are for - but it's not that big a deal to me.
     
  15. SupremeChancellorWicket

    SupremeChancellorWicket Jedi Youngling

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    Han talks with Chewie. Lando talked with Nien Nunb. Most people/creatures even understood JarJar. On earth, some people are bilingual, provided you know the other language. Ah, but the question here asserts that the noises coming from R2 would not be considered speech. [I actually like the modem comparison]

    On earth, some groups of people (particularly in Africa) communicate in part with a series of clicks that would sound meaningless to us living in First World, Western countries. See, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_consonant . I'm certainly not going to tell these folks that their method of communication isn't speech, just b/c it sounds like "noise" to me.

    So, I reject this question's initial premise, that a droid's "noises" "aren't speech." Heck yeah, they are speech. And in SW, some people know the droid language.
     
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  16. EviL_eLF

    EviL_eLF Force Ghost star 5

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    People's ability to speak with droids are limited. Only a few types that they deal with regularly. There are too many droid types for people to deal with them all, thus the value of a protocol droid who can cover all the rest.

    I've yet to see a human in Star Wars claim to know 6 million forms of communication.
     
  17. sbk1234

    sbk1234 Jedi Knight star 1

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    fair enough.
     
  18. sbk1234

    sbk1234 Jedi Knight star 1

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    fair enough.
     
  19. Devizz

    Devizz Jedi Master star 3

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    You seem to not realize that it is possible she learned to communicate with astromechs in her past. My theory is that her memory was erased.
     
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  20. kevmp

    kevmp Jedi Master star 3

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    Trolling much?

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  21. kevmp

    kevmp Jedi Master star 3

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    Chewie and the Death Star mouse Droid seemed to communicate with each other just fine :-D


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  22. Bobatron

    Bobatron Jedi Master star 4

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    Actually, Luke just told R2, "R2... stay and watch over the camp." It wasn't a conversation.
     
  23. kevmp

    kevmp Jedi Master star 3

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    Now that I think about it, Obi-Wan seems to understand R4-P17 in AOTC.

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  24. EviL_eLF

    EviL_eLF Force Ghost star 5

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    Ok then...

    http://thechristianjedi.com/quotes/luke-quotes-from-empires-strikes-back/

    Luke: No, Artoo, you stay put. I’ll have a look around.
    Luke: Artoo?
    Luke: Artoo! Where are you?
    Luke: Artoo! You be more careful.
    Luke: Artoo — that way!
    Luke: Artoo!
    Luke: Oh, no! Are you all right? Come on. You’re lucky to get out of there. Anything broken?
    Luke: If you’re saying coming here was a bad idea, I’m beginning to agree with you. Oh, Artoo, what are we doing here? It’s like… something out of a dream, or, I don’t know. Maybe I’m just going crazy.
    Luke: Ready for some power? Okay. Let’s see now. Put that in there. There you go.

    Is that enough conversation with Artoo for you?
     
  25. Prequel_Rubbish

    Prequel_Rubbish Jedi Knight star 3

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    Luke talks to R2 in the same way you talk to your dog or cat. He doesn't phonetically understand the droid, but he can make out some different responses the same way a soft meow is different than a hiss or panting is different than a teeth-bearing growl.

    Count me among the group that was really annoyed with Rey supposedly understanding every word BB-8 was saying.
     
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  26. Raz Zaphon

    Raz Zaphon Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    C-3po counts. Spents the first act of ANH having a conversation with R2 and translating everything he says to Luke.
     
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