Perception of Religion in Relation to Current Events.

What? You have a problem with male genetic material?

I try not to disappoint.

Kimball Kinnison

 

Are these kinds of comments necessary?

 

And here is where the Church accepts other religions from the Vatican Two documents.

3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.

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You might try rereading that. It definitely does not support your claim that:

As I said to you before:

I even predicted the document you would try to use to support your claim, and disproved your argument from it already.

And you wonder why I have repeatedly questioned your reading ability. "Regards with esteem" is nowhere near saying "holds as equal". Not only did you not read my post where I linked you to the Vatican II documents, you then went on to use the exact argument that I refuted in that post. You grossly misinterpreted what the document said (ignoring entire sections of the document), and yet you think it "proves" your point.

As Mentor of Arisia would say, that's "loose and muddy thinking".

Kimball Kinnison

 

By the same token, does it explicitly say that Christ is the only way to salvation, or that Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Budhists, Agnostics, Athiests, and every varient form of Christianity that believes something slightly different is doomed to hell?

 

Actually, it does. It specifically reaffims John 14:6. From the document:

Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.

Add to that the remaining part of that scripture referenced:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

It's fairly clear.

The Catholic Church has long proclaimed to be God's true, universal church (the word catholic itself means "universal"). Vatican II did not change that, nor did it grant equal authority to other churches.

Kimball Kinnison

 

That's god for ya. "Be in my club or go to hell." Sounds like a spoiled child to me. You can definitely tell the god of the bible was influenced by Zeus.

 

Wait, where does it explicitly say all non-Christians will go to hell and won't be saved?

Perhaps they may be all be saved through Christ, but where does it say one has to be a member of a particular Church or ideology to be saved?

Are you implying that the bible says on Christians will be saved, or that Catholics are saying only Catholics will be saved? Where does it say that?

Even in another thread, didn't you say Mormon's believed that even non-christians may be saved through Christ in some sort of after-life/purgatory type deal?

Alls I'm saying is that you are doing what you accuse Lord Vivec of doing. Interpreting scripture in a manner more favorable towards your position.

 

How does this relate to the topic?

It don't.

Yes, I'm looking at you Vivec, and you Kimball.





E_S

 

Well I was reading an interesting comment from an Iraq businessman, he said the main problem in Iraq for business people is not the American Army but religious divisions that threaten to rip the country apart in an all out civil war. Different factions of Muslims fighting each other, for power. The Americans just want peace so they can get out ASAP. Actually if they were smart they would stop fighting, then the Americans would leave. And then they could go at it after they were gone. The Americans don't want to leave a civil war behind, so they will stay for who knows who long. Why, religious conflict.

 

i'd agree... the u.s. wants out, and what's keeping the us in there is the insurgency fighting. if it wasn't for that, i'd think coallition forces might almost be out of there by now

 

You have to distiguish between those of the insurgency and sectarian strife.