CT Performance in Jabba's Palace: Was it needed?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Twi'lekPrince, Mar 27, 2013.

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Do you think that the performance in Jabba's Palace was necessary, or unecessary?

Poll closed Apr 3, 2013.
Necessary 10 vote(s) 40.0%
Unecessary 15 vote(s) 60.0%
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  1. Twi'lekPrince Jedi Padawan

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    Mar 24, 2013
    Recently I was watching ROTJ, and I got to the part in Jabba's palace where there is the band and dancers, all performing for Jabba. I don't know, I just personally feel that this performance wasn't needed. I think that it even looked stupid :eek: . Does anyone else think this was necessary or unecessary?
  2. Jcuk Jedi Grand Master

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    Mar 16, 2013
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    A more pertinent question is did they really have to mess with the original scene itself? The tune was so much better, and the digital character singing was just dumb. It was the same with all the added stuff. Some good, some unnecessary. And that was unnecessary. It was just GL saying, 'hey look what my computers can do now'
  3. Twi'lekPrince Jedi Padawan

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    I definitely don't think they should have added that performance, and I agree with you on both points.
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  4. KilroyMcFadden Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes, they needed to show a price of failure scene so that we knew the kind of immediate danger Luke was in later on when he is standing where the Twi'lek was when she refused Jabba's sexual advances. It was more believable that Jabba would become aroused enough to demand whatever when she was doing her dance, so music. Plus it was an opportunity to showcase a den of characters, (good or bad,) plus green boobies. I'm not saying it was necessary to have nudity in Star Wars, but there is no way that it hurt the box office. ...at least my dad appreciated it, even If I didn't until a few years later.
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  5. Vthuil Force Ghost

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    Establishing the existence of the rancor was necessary. A protracted musical number with silly-looking aliens? Not quite so much. I honestly think it was the worst change of the SE (it was in the OOT too, but the "Lapti Nek" sequence gets to the point much faster then the "Jedi Rocks" version does).
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  6. Blur Force Ghost

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    I thought the original ROTJ scene from 1983 was fantastic, for all the reasons already mentioned. I also thought the extended scene with Oola (using the same actress from 1983) from the 1997 SE was also nice.

    I did not like the furthur extended 1997 SE version with the additional dancers (Rodian, Twi-lek, etc.), Boba Fett hitting on the dancers, the Yuzzem?! singing replacing the original Sy Snootles band song, the CGI Sy Snootles, etc. - this looked terrible, and was very out of place within the film.

    IMHO they should just used the extended sequence with Oola, and kept everything else the same. That would have been perfect.

    Going along with the above, the other thing that bugs me about the added music is that, being a huge fan of the SW soundtrack music, it's tough for me to find the original 1983 ROTJ Sy Snootles song now that it's been "replaced". I used to have the original ROTJ 1983 soundtrack, but don't anymore. I did get the ROTJ 1997 soundtrack, but that only has the inferior Yuzzum song. The only version of the original Sy Snootles song I have is from the Meco Star Wars compilation (which also has a version of the Ewok celebration song) - this is great, but it's not what was originally in the film. Sure, I could probably hunt down the 1983 Sy Snootles song, but it would have been nice to have had that as an "alternate take" (or somthing like that) on the 1997 soundtrack...
  7. Orochi Oni Jedi Knight

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    Mar 8, 2013
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    I cringe every time I see it.
  8. Thoix Heoro Jedi Master

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    It may not be necessary, but Oola's dance makes it worth watching.
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  9. SlashMan Jedi Grand Master

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    It was unnecessary. But I think Lucas once said that that's the point of it; the movie takes a break and spontaneously turns into a musical sequence. It's one of those odd quirks that makes Star Wars so memorable (the aliens, the otherworldly music, the atmosphere, etc). That being said, Jedi Rocks took it a little bit too far in my opinion.
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  10. Orochi Oni Jedi Knight

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    Wait a minute. I thought this topic was about the addition of Jedi Rocks. That's what I was referring to when I said I cringe at it. [face_laugh]

    The original is fine.
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  11. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    star 4
    I liked the original better
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  12. kubricklynch Jedi Grand Master

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    Yeah, the SE change makes me want to punch myself in the brain. So out of place and ridiculous.
  13. Slicer87 Jedi Master

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    I think so, the original Snooties puppet was very bad. It barely moved, and even on VHS you could clearly see the string moving her trunk, even though her mouth at the end of her trunk didn't work. It was just awlful, no wonder Lucas wanted to fix that scene.
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  14. Blur Force Ghost

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    It's been so long since I've seen the original 1983 version of ROTJ (I haven't had my VHS tapes since '96) that I don't remember those details. However, Lflm. could easily have fixed the string & the movement via some digital magic, and kept the rest of the scene the same. That being said, even if this weren't possible (apparently fixing some things in the OOT films can be problematic, i.e. the Ben/Vader lightsaber fight in ANH) they could have left this the same, and it would still have looked 100% better than the extremely fake-looking & sub-par 1997 CGI Sy Snootles & the Yuzzum. Also, I'm sure I'm not alone in my opinon that the original "Lapti Nek" song is far superior to the 1997 SE replacement.
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  15. oierem Jedi Grand Master

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    Agreed. And it's only a minute and a half long!
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  16. Slicer87 Jedi Master

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    While your mileage may very, the original scene wasn't perfect like many claim.
  17. EHT Manager: New Films

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    Agreed with others... the original was fine (weird, but not out of place in Jabba's palace). The Jedi Rocks changes are terrible.
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  18. Ambervikings91 Jedi Master

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    I dont think I like the way this question is really framed. Because it seems like from the comments it assumes that if something is not needed then it should not be there. I dont think anybody could really argue it was needed, a lot of things in the films are not needed. But I also think theres a lot of things that are unneeded that help give the movie character even if they weren't there it wouldn't really hurt the film.

    Personally I dont really care either way if the performance is there or not however I guess I more reject the framing of it to begin with
  19. facebook Jedi Master

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    Oct 16, 2012
    I love Jedi Rocks! Better get used to random musical numbers in the movies anyway. ;)
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  20. Kenneth Morgan Force Ghost

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    I don't mind either one, actually.

    And you should be able to find Huttese "Lapti Nek" on the STAR WARS Anthology CD box set; the one released before the SE changes. As for the English version, it's probably on YouTube, I guess.
  21. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    Jan 30, 2013
    star 4
    I think my biggest problem with the new version is that it's just too in your face. They should have just left it alone, or if they had to change it they should have been more subtle about it.
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  22. StarWarsVerses Jedi Master

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    Probably my favourite scene in ROTJ. Star Wars in its full vaudevillian/Barbarellalian/Jabborwockian glory. Lapti Nek comes across as quite meek by comparison.

    Highlights include Joe Cocker's/Joh Yowza's pre-Rancor down the throat shot, Rystall at her synchronistic best, and Boba bobbing along like the pop music victim he is. Zai ya la, bra.
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  23. gezvader28 Force Ghost

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    star 4
    it was terrible originally , and then George made it even worse .
  24. anakin_skywalker_sct Force Ghost

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    I don't even remember the original, though I'm sure I saw it a handful of times. Never could stand the SE version of that scene, it was obnoxious and cartoonish. The concept is fine, Jabba likes his entertainment and it gives us a glimpse of his ruthless nature. Why did it have to be done with terrible CGI, goofy looking Muppet rejects and a plain bad song? The musical interlude in Mos Eisley in ANH is lovely and fits right in to the universe. This just breaks the fourth wall and screams at us "now Lucas is going to indulge himself for a minute!"
  25. Twi'lekPrince Jedi Padawan

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    I think the performance didn't need to be so "in your face". They could of had it be a lot more low key.
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