Fanclub Plagueis: The Muun behind Damask

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  1. Son of a Bith Force Ghost

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    I honestly think we don't get Plagueis's POV in order to leave open the possibility that he was doing some midichlorian voodoo to ensure his survival.

    Do I want this to be the reason? Not sure. Do I think this is the reason? Yes. Is it obnoxious to ask yourself a question and then answer it? Maybe.
  2. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    When Palpatine ordered Vader to kill all members of the Separatist Council, he indirectly severed yet another tie to Plagueis.
    San Hill's father, Larsh Hill, was close associate of Plagueis untill he was killed.
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  3. Meyerm Jedi Knight

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    I have a hard time accepting when Plagueis dies. It screws with Maul's legitimacy as a sith lord. The rule of two aside, I don't think pre-Bane sith ever had an apprentice with an apprentice.
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  4. Darth Xalfrea Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, Plagueis was one who wanted to break against tradition because of his views of being immortal. It's just that Palpatine was the one who actually did the breaking by taking Maul in.

    It really makes me wonder how different things would be if Plagueis didn't get hammered.
  5. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    Darth Maul is more like an assassin, very much like Asajj Ventress.
  6. Meyerm Jedi Knight

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    But still, it's almost a mockery for a false-sith to hold the title Darth. Assassin or not, I prefer to think Plagueis died several years earlier, and that's when Sidious declared Maul to be Darth.
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  7. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    I think for Palpatine all his apprentices were just tools. His mind became set on Anakin Skywalker when he met him.
    Palpatine never wanted to be replaced by one of his apprentices, he wanted to rule forever.
    So, he only followed the rule of two to some extent.
    Even Plagueis and Tenebrous did not fully embrace the rule of two.

    Palpatine might have named Maul 'Darth', but he never intended him to be more than a ruthless assassin.
    Misdirection always was Palpatine's strong point.
  8. Meyerm Jedi Knight

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    Palpatine bestowed the Darth title upon Maul obviously to convince Maul he was more than an expendable tool, but still, if past sith knew of this, they'd probably look lowly upon the decision.
  9. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    Or those Sith would praise Palpatine for his mastery of deception...
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  10. Meyerm Jedi Knight

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    I think some sith have a form of honor and traditional code. Making something think they're a sith lord when they're not may be seen as dishonorable to the title. Kind of like if a college drop out calls themselves professor. Loose analogy.
  11. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    I think Sith care only for tradition if it fits in their way to power.
    Palpatine nearly wiped out the entire Jedi Order. He ruled the Galaxy for about 25 years.
    His accomplishments were far greater than many Sith before him although he did not completely stick to the Banite Sith beliefs.
  12. Meyerm Jedi Knight

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    The holocrons of Andeddu and Bane shunned Darth Krayt as a heretic for the One Sith philosophy, and that was really to suit his own purposes and that of the sith. The point is, I think there's more to the sith than just "the ends justify the means." I think there is a sort of code of tradition and honor (at least as far as sith titles go). Older sith would probably shun the idea of a non-sith holding the title of Darth.
  13. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    Those Sith shunned Darth Krayt because he was vulnerable.
    Krayt was obsessed by getting cured, this was his weakness. Sith don't cultivate weakness.
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  14. Meyerm Jedi Knight

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    Really? I could of sworn it was because they disapproved of the One Sith. Andeddu lived long before The Banite rule of Two though, so you may be right.
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  15. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    Many Sith, such as Nadd and Andeddu, tried to return to the physical realm after died so they could rule once more.
  16. Shadow Trooper Jedi Grand Master

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    . Darth Bane is the only Sith who dislikes Darth Krayt for rejecting the Rule of Two. Like General Immodet mentioned earlier, Anddedu was contemptuous of Krayt because he was afraid of being consumed by his armor and because he had to beg other Sith for help instead of conquering his problem by his self. He justifies his refusal to share his knowledge to Wyyrlock by telling him that Knowledge is power and Sith do not share power". Anddedu sees Krayt as a pretender of a Sith because of his doubts and his encounter with Wyyrlock causes Wyyrlock to realize this too and is the catalyst for the eventual betrayal of Krayt.
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  17. Darth_Dreadwar Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't actually think Andeddu or Bane particularly opposed Krayt more than they would oppose any other Sith. As per the Tales of the Jedi Companion, Sith holocrons continuously berate and insult those who interact with them, and only if one is able to win their trust through flattery, or through proving their power and dominating the gatekeeper, does the holocron cease such hostility and begin offering Sith knowledge. Andeddu and Bane would have treat Palpatine in much the same way.

    Of course, Andeddu might have genuinely held Krayt in contempt as he was not a mindlessly insulting gatekeeper but a genuine Sith spirit. However, I'd say, regardless of his comments to Wyyrlock, any contempt he held would be more the natural contempt an ancient Sith risen from the dead would hold towards his living Sith competitors than being reflective of the One Sith being pretenders.
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  18. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    I think what the holocron of Darth Nihilus had to say the most interesting... ;)
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