Pledge of Allegiance ruled unconstitutional

Oh wait - looks like I can't pay the IRS, U.S. currency should be unconstitutional.

 

Being forced to say the pledge may be considered wrong no matter what the wording is, if you want to get that technical.

Do you have to say it or not? Because to my knowledge, every student must say it each day before school.

The words, 'under God', however is not an endorsement of any particular religion. Athiesm isn't a religion as far as I know.

Athiesm is a lack of religion. My way of thinking is this: think of religions as colours, and athiesm as white. If you remove all aspects of religion (color) from society, what you're left with is athiesm as the official religion (white is all that remains). Follow?

 

Well I'm pleased albeit a little baffled why anyone would bother suing over something like that. It's my personal opinion that religion shouldn't be anywhere near a government

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I figured as long as it wasn't mandatory one should just leave tradition be.

So what now? Are we reminting all our money, taking out the "In God We Trust?"

 

I personally don't know what today's laws are regarding 'having' to say it. Many posts I've read thus far indicate that it isn't forced. It's been many moons since I've said it before school, so I cannot say for certain. Someone else may be able to answer that.

Athiesm - I understand what you're saying. I would prefer to say that removing all religious elements wouldn't result in the 'religion' of athiesm, however. I guess I was getting too technical there myself, but I am not sure how the athiests here would feel about the way you worded it.

 

Okay, no one is forced to say the pledge, quite frankly no one ever cared about it in my high school. But we were forced to stand up and look like we're saying it. I agree and disagree with this ruling. The only reason why the majority is so upset is because most of the majority are bible toting morons. Sorry, I don't like the majority for that very reason. Oh that and they've tried to force their beliefs on me all my life. So while I sympathize with the majority I'm with the minority, if you don't wanna say the pledge-don't. Nobody cares whether or not you say the pledge anyways. And if they do they probably are that overbearing majority.

 

We had the pledge every morning in school, and although we 'had' to say it, I don't recall teachers going around listening to make sure there was vocal sound coming from each and every student. All one really had to do was stand with hand on chest.

By highschool, it was recited before the morning announcments over the PA, and most students just stood. I don't recall anyone ever getting chewed out for not saying it with the announcer. They only got reprimanded if they chatted with others during it.

Bottom line, I don't think anyone can FORCE kids to actually SPEAK it, much less speak those two particular words.

 

Tell that to my 12th grade geometry teacher. Also, Atheism is a religion. I'd prefer to think of myself a realistic in not adopting any religion. In case you're wondering what I'am.

 

I remember a case in San Diego County where a girl who refused to stand for the Pledge was suspended indefinitely by the school district. Of course, their decision was overruled by an appeals court (I think).

Bottom line - nothing prevents you from reciting the pledge, but no one can be forced to recite the pledge - or stand for it either.

 

Damn, I should've sued the hell out of Overlea then for even making me look like I was saying it.

 

In that case the girl didn't actually sue for damages, she just sued to get back into school.

 

Ahh....well still. I should sue. Well should've sued. Because they did tell teachers to make people say the pledge.

 

This is a sad day for the country, it is a country now totally owned by the lawyers, and the extreme leftists with their politically correct agenda.

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Why is it bad? Yeeesh...it's just one part of the pledge, not the whole thing. It's not like they're burning the bible.

 

Ahh....well still. I should sue.

Oh boy.

refer back to my post on page one for clarification.

 

LoL, think I'd sue the school? Naw. I could rub this ruling in my former principal's face though.

 

Now let's not be catty about this

 

I don't get the big deal about this. It's stupid to have in god we trust in our pledge and on our money as well. We're not a religious state, we believe in freedom of choice and if I don't choose to believe in god that's my right. Yet all these religious folk think everyone should believe their agenda. I highly doubt any school kid will care either. Most of the high schoolers at least. They're all jaded by society now and whatnot it doesn't effect them.

 

I think the PC agenda all together anymore is just paranoia. Its not about keeping a sanctity of god in these things such as the pledge.

IMHO I think to keep the word "God" on money and in the pledge is more of an homage to our forefathers, than a crazy religious idea to keep god forced onto people.

Anyway this is me forcing my religion on you.

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The Pledge of Allegiance is not in itself unconstitutional, it is the inclusion of the words "under God".

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. -- First Amendment, Constitution of the United States of America

In 1954, the US Congress and President Eisenhowere enacted legislation to CHANGE the pledge of allegiance to include the words "under God". Furthermore, President Eisenhower wrote at the time, "millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty."

Seems to me like the President and the Congress were in violation of the First Amendment by enacting a law establishing that all people in the United States worshipped God.

Change the pledge back to the original.

 

In 1954, the US Congress and President Eisenhowere enacted legislation to CHANGE the pledge of allegiance to include the words "under God".

That was added in the 50's.

well that blows my theory out of the water now don't it.

 

Apparentally there's a lot of talk about the 'faith of the founding fathers'. Interestngly, the founding fathers were mainly agnostics, and often criticized the bible....

 

no wonder they were such brilliant men.

 

Actually, they were Deists.

 

So it is religious propaganda on our money.

 

Yeah, who needs a symbol of masonry on the dollar bill anyways?