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PT Plot Holes and Inconsistencies in the Prequel Trilogy

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by janstett, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 4, 2012
    He wasn't shown doing that.

    So your operating on that assumption, which is an educated guess. Fine. But it never happened in the film. In contrast the Jedi Council is shown giving Qui-Gon orders as he leaves Coruscant; and Palpatine later gives Nute orders about what to do prior to the battle. So if there is no scene involving Palpatine tell Nute to pull out the blockade, it makes sense that he never did so.
  2. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Mar 22, 2003
    It's very well established in the film that this is a very tricky political situation , they must tread carefully - remember all the 'boring' politics stuff ?
    And QGJ explicitly says as a Jedi that he's going along to protect her , he cannot fight a war for her .

    I don't know what you want , more scenes clarifying and repeating the same things ? Diagrams ? Discussions of counter-plans ? Should they speak louder ?
  3. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 28, 2001
    Then by that logic, since we never see Luke build his Lightsaber, he just found it lying around in the desert.
  4. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 4, 2012
    No, Darth Vaders says "so you've constructed a new lightsaber." This is a tool to communicate to the audience that Luke built it.
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  5. Samuel Vimes

    Samuel Vimes Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 4, 2012
    1) The "Political stuff", aside from it generally making little sense, what is the difference "Politically" speaking if the Jedi sends 4-5 Jedi instead of just two?

    The Jedi are involving themselves, they are interfering, they have taken a side in this conflict. They help and support Padme against the TF.
    So they can NOT claim neutrality.
    And they do this WITHOUT orders from either the senate or the chancellor.
    So as far as the film goes, NOTHING is presented that would prevent the jedi from sending 4-5 people to help Padme instead of 2.

    2) What Qui-Gon says, he and Obi-Wan are just two Jedi, so he can't realistically fight the whole TF army.
    So he is telling her the obvious, two Jedi can't fight the whole TF army.

    3) Did the JC think that just two Jedi, one of whom was not even a knight, could deal with the blockade, the TF army, a possible sith lord and while protecting the Queen and looking after a nine year old boy?
    If yes, then this is apparently a very easy mission, walk in the park. And this defuses the tension.
    If no, then they are likely sending them to their deaths.

    Also, this brings back no 2), the Jedi know that the TF has a big army on Naboo and that they will try to arrest/kill Padme as soon as she gets there.
    Qui-Gon is there to protect her, to do that and he would have to fight the forces of the TF.
    Say that the TF send 2000 battle droids to arrest Padme right when she lands, can Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan "protect" her against that many?

    There are two narratives argued by some here.
    Either the JC thought that two Jedi could deal with all of this, no problem, and sending more is totally unnecessary and would just be over-kill.
    Or the JC DID want to send more Jedi but didn't because, "reasons".

    If the former, as I've said, this lessens the tension as this is apparently so easy that it is totally safe to bring along a nine year old kid.
    If the latter, first that needs to be explained and also, if Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan fail, that would almost certainly be worse for the Jedi than if they had sent 4-5 Jedi even if they did not have senate ok.

    What I wanted is less contrived writing.
    I can accept some but if it becomes too much, like it did here, then it bothers me.
    When I first saw the film, Anakin being there and what he did, that was the straw that broke the camels back.
    And it took me out of the film and it made the last third of the film less good.

    How it could be solved, easy, have some of the people that stay behind on Naboo form a small resistance and Padme keeps in contact with them. They steal the fighters from the palace before the TF can destroy them, they are also able to inform Padme that the TF has withdrawn their blockade as they are now in control of the planet. Now Padme knows that the blockade is gone and that she has some forces on the planet and if she can get the Gungans to help, now she may have a chance.
    Making Anakin 14-15 would also help.

    As it is, events just happen that benefits Padme, the blockade is just gone without explanation, the fighters are untouched for some reason, no one bats an eye that a nine year kid tags along and so on.

    Bye for now.
    Old Stoneface
  6. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Mar 22, 2003
    How do you know that ?

    I mean c'mon , how hard is this to work out ?
    The Jedi council works with the senate , they give the order for QGJ to escort and protect Padme . Do you really need to see scenes of this being discussed with the senate ?

    Why do you need all these extra scenes clarifying and repeating things ?
  7. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

    Oct 30, 2015
    So 4 or 5 Jedi would have made a difference instead of 2? What difference did the 20 or 30 Jedi make on Geonosis? They would have had zero chance without the clone army. They were already cornered and ready to be shot when Yoda and the clones saved them.
    Besides, Qui-Gon and Kenobi were sent to "negotiate", not to fight the TF army. 100 Jedi wouldn't have been enough. Did the Jedi even have starfighters in TPM? I don't remember seeing any. Only Naboo fighters were involved in that final space battle. All the Jedi had was lighsabers against battle droids with blasters, droidekas, tanks, droid ships etc. No way a handful of Jedi could have done anything at that point, not with Sidious supporting the enemy in any case.
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  8. Samuel Vimes

    Samuel Vimes Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 4, 2012
    How do I know?
    By paying attention.

    The opening crawl says that the senate is unable to resolve the blockade so the chancellor sends two Jedi WITHOUT asking the senate.

    So Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were sent by Valorum at the start of the film, NOT the senate.

    However, when Padme is going back, Valorum has been sacked and can thus no longer give an ok to this.
    And Palpatine has not yet been elected, so there is no chancellor to give this order.
    And since the senate could not agree to send two Jedi to settle a dispute, they certainly won't agree to send two jedi to fight the TF. The senate does not even believe that there is any TF forces on Naboo.

    Thus, the Jedi send Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan WITHOUT asking the senate.
    They made the decision themselves.

    I don't need to see the senate agree to this.

    BUT, since people have argued that the Jedi can NOT involve themselves in this affair without senate approval and that is why only two Jedi are sent.
    My counter to that argument is that the Jedi ARE involved, they made the choice to interfere in this WITHOUT asking the senate. So since they are already doing things without senate approval, sending 2 or 4-5 Jedi will make no difference.
    So lack of senate approval is no excuse to just send two Jedi.

    @Sith Lord 2015
    First, I am talking about when Padme had decided to go back to TF occupied Naboo and the Jedi decide to send Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan with her. I am not talking about the mission Valorum sent them on at the start of the film.

    Second, so your argument is that the JC send Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan to their deaths?
    Two Jedi have no chance against the TF army and yet they send them to protect Padme from that army AND deal with a possible Sith Lord.
    So the JC want Qui-Gon dead?
    They want Anakin dead as well then as he goes with Qui-Gon?

    Three, the Jedi KNOW that the TF have a massive military on Naboo and they know that Padme is going back. The also know that the TF will try to capture or kill Padme when she gets there. So a fight is inevitable.
    Yet they send only two Jedi to protect her and to draw out Maul and deal with him.

    I have asked this before, did the Jedi think that just two Jedi could deal with the TF blockade, the TF army, possible sith Lord and protect Padme and look after a nine year old boy?
    Based on your argument, the answer is no.
    So why are they doing this?
    They will get two of their members killed, plus a small boy.
    And for what?
    The only reason that makes sense is that the JC wants Qui-Gon dead.
    Perhaps they were annoyed at all his crazy talk about the sith and the chosen one and they didn't want to train Anakin. So send them both to their deaths, problem solved.

    This is what makes the writing contrived.
    The Jedi are fully aware that the TF have an army on Naboo.
    As far as they know, the TF also have a massive blockade.
    They know that Padme intends to go back and they decide to send two Jedi with her.
    Mostly to deal with Maul, whom they think will come after her.

    And yet, the TF army and blockade are of no apparent concern to the Jedi.
    That Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan might get killed when the TF ships shoot at their ship, not a factor.
    What they would do if they faced 1000 battle droids trying to kill Padme, not important.

    And what do you know, the blockade is just gone, aren't they lucky?
    And the TF have been kind enough to leave the Naboo fighters alone so that Padme's pilots can use them, very helpful.

    Issues that should have been a concern are just ignored by the characters and then the plot makes some of those issues go away without explanation.
    This is not good writing.
    It is just having things happen because the plot needs it to.

    Bye for now.
    Blackboard Monitor

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  9. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

    Oct 30, 2015
    Oh OK, I misunderstood and thought you meant the Jedi's first mission to Naboo. Still, what could more Jedi REALLY have done on the second mission? Of course the council did not purposefully send Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan to their death. You are right that two are not enough, but then again how many would have been? How much could they have done against an army with just lightsabers? And I repeat my question, did the Jedi at that point even have fighters? I honestly don't remember seeing any in TPM. However the Naboo did have an army and fighters, with enough pilots to fly them. What more could a few more Jedi have done? Personally I think they were maybe mainly sent to take care of Maul, not so much to get involved in the battle. The Council apparently felt that two Jedi against one Sith were enough, maybe out of arrogance or ignorance, we won't know which.
  10. DarthTalonx

    DarthTalonx Jedi Master star 4

    Nov 12, 2014
    I enjoyed these films to be honest! Maybe these though:

    1. Why didn't Qui Gon contact the Jedi Temple directly on Jedi frequencies for help? And then just hide as best you can on Tatooine in the mean time? Much like communication occurs in AOTC?

    2. Could Qui Gon have simply taken the parts he needed, or tricked people into thinking they were buying the Queen's hand maidens etc to acquire the parts required?

    3. Could they not have exchanged the expensive ship for an old freighter and taken as many as they could to Coruscant and sent a ship to collect the others?

    4. Why did the droidekas in the Arena who surrounded Obi Wan, Anakin and Padme, not just kill them after the Jedi arrive? They surround them, and then retreat when the battle starts?

    5. Could Yoda, not have taken reinforcements to capture Dooku? He himself told Windu of the importance of stopping Dooku, in order to prevent more systems rallying behind this charismatic leader. Instead he went alone to the hangar, having kept his Clone Commander in the dark why he needed a ship?

    6. In TPM, why didn't the Jedi Council and Order, who don't appear to be as under pressure as they are in AOTC (overstretched), send more Jedi to Naboo? It appeared they didn't need the authority of the Senate to go anywhere, so why not? Given the appearance of Maul on Tatooine?

    7. Why didn't Grievous just tell his droids to obliterate Obi Wan on sight on Utapau?

    8. Why didn't Yoda seek the support/joining the CIS council to fight Palpatine after Order 66? As in before they were taken out?
  11. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 28, 2001
    Which I pointed out that in the full Council scene, Mace says that the Jedi cannot get involved if it comes to war without the Senate's help. But they can be involved in protecting her and if Maul shows up, they can deal with him. But beyond that, they cannot take charge of the mission as they do during the Clone Wars.

    The Council thinks that the two Jedi can handle Maul. They also think that if Padme has a plan for attack, she can handle that. Ergo, when they get back, they do what they do. They know it will be difficult, but this is the only thing that can be done. And as to the blockade, if they could get past the blockade the first time, they can get past it a second time.

    Qui-gon realizes that any attempt to contact the Temple, will result in their transmission being picked up and traced. Maul finds them by doing that very thing.

    That's not the Jedi way. He's not a thief and he's not about to indulge in human trafficking.

    It's not his ship to trade. And who is going to want a ship with a broken hyperdrive?

    Because it was a trap.

    Yoda wasn't going to bring in the Clonetroopers to die needlessly against Dooku.

    The Senate is in disarray and the Jedi cannot do more than what they were capable of doing. They're keepers of the peace, not soldiers.

    Because he wanted to kill him personally. You might as well ask why Vader went to face Obi-wan alone on the Death Star and why the nearby Stormtroopers didn't open fire on Obi-wan, when he and Vader were fighting.

    Why would they help Yoda? They'd just try to kill him.
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  12. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

    Aug 6, 2016
    And you might as well answer. Because Obi Wan is Vader's old master. It's personal. Unlike Obi-Wan and grievous.. Because opening fire on two duellists risks hitting your comrade as well as your enemy.

    There really was no comparison whatsoever with what Darthtalonx asked you.
  13. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

    Oct 30, 2015
    Didn't get that part. Who could have been tricked into thinking the hand maidens were bought? From whom? Or did you mean "sell"? To Watto? Qui-Gon should have offered Padmé "for sale" as a slave to him :eek:? Little confused here.
  14. Samuel Vimes

    Samuel Vimes Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 4, 2012
    But this is where the problems in the writing becomes very noticeable.

    The Jedi KNOW that the TF has a big army on Naboo. And as far as they know, the blockade is still there.
    And the only forces that Padme has as far as the Jedi know, is a handfull of guards and some hand maidens. That's it.

    And the Jedi know she is going back to Naboo.
    They are not shown to be aware of exactly what she planned to do or if she had a plan.
    So what could she plan to do?
    1) Surrender to the TF and hope that her people will no longer suffer.
    2) Martyr herself by a suicide attack.
    3) Try to fight the TF forces.

    The first two don't have much of a reason for the Jedi to go with her as they will either die or get captured.
    The third WILL mean a fight. So the two Jedi that are assigned to protect her, WILL have to fight some of the TF forces.
    And suppose one of them gets killed? Then it is just one Jedi vs one possible sith.
    Being prepared and planning ahead means that you try to take into account that things might not go great all the way. So having a few more Jedi would be sensible.

    But we get the opposite, the Jedi seemingly know that the blockade is gone and that there won't a big fight, and that the Gungans are still free and will help and those fighters are still there, etc.
    This is contrived writing.
    The character do what they do because the plot needs them to.
    The Jedi are even so certain that this will be easy, that a small kid tags along.

    Again, in ANH, the rebels go over the DS plans, find a weakness, have a briefing telling the pilots and us, the audience, what this weakness is and how they plan to exploit it. They do explain that snub fighters are the best choice as the DS defenses are not designed to deal with that.
    And they send most of not all of their fighters.
    Say that they only send two, Luke and one other guy. And we see that they have other fighters.
    Wouldn't this seem stupid?
    The rebels hold back their own forces for no apparent reason.

    Or in RotJ, the rebels again hold a briefing and lay out their plan. And we know that they have stolen an imperial shuttle and codes. and so on.

    The odds are certainly against them in both cases but it is not as contrived as it is here.

    Bye for now.
    Blackboard Monitor
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  15. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 28, 2001
    Your stuck on the idea that the plan should have been laid out before going to Naboo and not after arriving. The plan wasn't for the Jedi, it was for her people. That's why she formulates her plan on Naboo. And again, her ship broke through the blockade once. It could do so again. The Council doesn't know what is going on, but they cannot interfere beyond what they've done so far.
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  16. Samuel Vimes

    Samuel Vimes Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 4, 2012
    No I have shown why the writing is poor and contrived.

    People just ignore a whole lot of things and the writer can't be bothered to explain how they deal with those things so they just go away without explanation.
    And there really isn't any kind of plan, just go back to Naboo and wing it.
    And the plan works because the TF has been kind enough to remove the blockade and kept those fighters in the palace.
    And the last time they ran the blockade, the ship got shut up pretty badly. And this time, they can't fly away as they intend to land.

    In ANH, the rebel pilots were briefed BEFORE the flew up to the DS, not while they were flying over it, because that would be stupid.
    In RotJ, the rebels had their briefing before they left for Endor, not after they had arrived, again that would be stupid.

    And in TPM, the threat level is so low that it is safe enough to bring a young kid along.

    Lastly, at least now you acknowledge that the Jedi Council IS Interfering. Now it is only about the level of Interfering.
    You still have not been able to prove or provide anything close to a sensible argument why sending two Jedi without senate ok is fine but sending three is not.

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  17. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Mar 22, 2003
    We don't know what Luke's plan was if R2 and 3PO had been refused entry to Jabba's palace , and we don't need a scene beforehand telling us what his contingency plans were , they are admitted and so its redundant to have a scene showing his other plans . It's just sensible economic narrative .

    But its not hard to imagine a plan , same with Padme and the blockade .
    As for why the blockade was gone - again its not hard to imagine why : the population is contained so the resources on the blockade have probably been used down on the planet , plus they want her to return to sign the treaty .

    Padme does have a battle plan , we just see her develop and explain it once they get to Naboo , there's no point in her explaining it before they get there .

    I really don't understand why you need explanations of everything that may or may not happen , that would be pointless time wasting .

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  18. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

    Aug 5, 2001
    Padme's plan was rubbish. Capture the Viceroy & the TF will be "confused"! Please, they still would've had the entire planet at gunpoint with an army of droids. The palace surrounded by that army & the planet blockaded. The TF could execute citizens one by one until Gunray was released. Padme admitted they had no hope of defeating the droid army or knocking out the droid control ship. They were diversions. According to her, Gunray getting captured would send the entire TF into a gibbering confused mess. They'd all be running around in circles of confusion set to the Benny Hill theme. That's absurd. Things only worked out bcs lil' Anie accidentally destroyed the DCS. Which was not part of her plan. If the events of her plan had played out as expected she would've been screwed. She'd have the Viceroy captured, then she could unconvincingly bluff the TF that she'd harm him. Compared to the entire planet & every citizen captured & facing a real threat of murder & harm. That's like the TF holding a full house while Padme holds a pair of 3's. She'd have no way out of the palace while the droid army is still active. She'd be trapped there. So it was the worst plan imaginable, despite Lucas via Qui-Gon calling the plan he (Lucas) came up with "well conceived". No, it was terrible. Almost as if it was conceived by a teenaged girl.
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  19. Torib

    Torib Jedi Knight star 2

    Jan 27, 2016
    I think Padme's plan still had a reasonable hope of success without taking out the control ship, so long as they captured the viceroy. Qui Gon's statement at the beginning of the movie suggests the federation would have caved in such a scenario: "These federation types are cowards. Negotiations will be short." The important thing to realize is that it is the Viceroy who ultimately has the final say, and he will likely put his own interests above the interests of his larger organization. He's not some ideologue who will gladly give his life for the cause.
  20. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 28, 2001
    She has a plan before leaving for Naboo. We see the plan in action as she's going along.

    Which doesn't change anything other than one is trying to land and one is trying to leave.

    Would you give it a rest with that.

    Because the Jedi are, as you put it, there for Maul. They're not there to fight a war. And when I said interfere, I'm referring to fighting a war versus taking on a Sith Lord. Two Jedi can confront a Sith Lord, but they cannot fight an entire war.

    Hell, Lucas even said that Luke didn't know about the Rancor during the 81 story meetings. Luke's plan was about to go to hell when Jabba dropped him inside. And his plan wasn't shown in advance and looked like he was making it up as he went.

    No, Padme never said that there was no hope of disabling the Droid Control Ship. Qui-gon said that there is a possibility that the shields were stronger than what the fighters had. The Gungans taking on the Droid Army was the diversion. Destroying the Federation ship and capturing Nute was always the plan.

    PADME: "We have a plan which should immobilize the Droid army. We will send what pilots we have... to knock out the Droid Control ship orbiting the planet."

    QUI-GON: "A well-conceived plan. However, there's great risk. The weapons on your fighters may not penetrate the shields."

    OBI-WAN: "There's an even bigger danger. If the Viceroy escapes, Your Highness... he will return with another Droid Army."

    PADME: "Well, that is why we must not fail to get the Viceroy. Everything depends on it."

    Timing was crucial here.
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  21. Visivious Drakarn

    Visivious Drakarn Jedi Master star 3

    Apr 20, 2013
    If you dissect TPM, yes, there may be some issues.
    But this is about contrivances in other movies.
    In ANH Leia knows the Falcon is being tracked and she still leads the Empire to Yavin, the Rebel base. It takes a few hours for them to find the weakness, the Imperials are all idiots as they don't see it and it takes 30 minutes for the DS with a hyperdrive engines to orbit a planet. In which is destroyed.
    In TFA Kylo's stardestroyer is everywhere, but when the Resistance attacks the Starkiller... it's where?
    Let's try to be realistic here.
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  22. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

    Oct 30, 2015
    Exactly. And I would go as far as saying that if you dissect 90% of all movies you will always find some issues. Padmé after all is only human and makes human mistakes. We can hardly blame her for not having had the PERFECT plan.
  23. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

    Aug 6, 2016
    I don't think anyone is seriously blaming her. These kinds of discussions usually originate around someone throwing in something like ".....because it's such a clever plan..." but not expecting it to get challenged.
  24. Samuel Vimes

    Samuel Vimes Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 4, 2012
    First, ah the old "Hey look over there!" argument, haven't seen that in a while.

    Second, as I've said before, I can accept some narrative convenience but it if becomes too much, like it did here, then it crosses over into contrivance.
    If it had just been the blockade, ok I might have bought that.
    Just the fighters, same.
    Anakin being there, that is a much bigger issue.
    A nine year old kid tags along to a war zone and NO ONE says a word about it.
    That is a massive pill to swallow.
    And how he manages to fly up, blow up the TF ship with a lot of randomly pushing buttons, that is too much.
    It is both lacking in sense and also defuse the tension as this fight is totally safe for kids.

    Solution, make Anakin 5-6 years older.

    With all these things, then sorry, the film just lost me.
    It didn't feel natural or an organic result of the characters, it was just stuff that the plot needs to happen.

    Third, about the ANH situation, that HAS been discussed several times here.
    And that film handles it better.
    The Empire did not consider a small, one-man fighter a threat, we are told this.
    Thus they did not consider this a risk.
    BUT, they are able to analyze the attack and they figure out what the rebels are doing and that there is a danger. But Tarkin won't hear of it.
    So the Empire is shown to be able to analyze the enemy attack and be able to see what is going on.
    This shows that they are able to think.

    Fourth, the Jedi are helping Padme but only sending two on a very dangerous mission, that feature the possible return of their worst enemy.
    Why not send more Jedi?
    Either they can't or they won't.
    The former is not established in the film, so the film offers no reason why 4-5 Jedi did not go instead.
    The latter makes this mission look unimportant or super easy, they have Jedi to spare but don't bother to send more. This lessens the tension or makes the Jedi look stupid, or both.

    About RotJ, we see that Lando has infiltrated the place as a guard.
    We saw one attempt, Leia dressed as a bounty hunter, try and get Solo out, that failed.
    Luke is a Jedi and he is trying to find a non-violent solution before attacking, so that fits his character.
    But he is also not a total fool and has put a weapon in R2.
    The Rancor did seem to be a surprise to him though.

    Tell me, did you find the pilot briefing in ANH a waste of time?
    And they should just have skipped over that bit and have the pilots fly up to the DS and start shooting at random. And Luke just notices the weak point and blows it up by mere chance?

    Or what about the rebel briefing in RotJ, was that too a waste of time?
    Say that the shield at Endor had been established but the rebels don't bother to steal a shuttle or codes and they just fly the MF there and what do you know, the shield is just conveniently gone.

    The issues here is several,
    The Jedi are helping Padme but why are they just sending two Jedi?
    Either they think that two Jedi can deal with the blockade, TF army, possible sith lord, protect Padme and look after a nine year old kid.
    Or they don't.
    In which case the obvious questions are, why don't they send more Jedi and why is Anakin going along?

    The film doesn't bother to try answering this.

    Then there is the the TF forces on Naboo.
    Did Padme know or think that blockade was gone and was therefore not worried about that?
    Or did she think it was still there but hoped that she could deal with it?
    Not answered!

    Did Padme know or think that those Naboo fighters would be untouched in the palace?
    Not answered!

    So people just do things because the plot needs them to.
    The Jedi only send two people, because the plot says so.
    The TF remove the blockade because the plot needs them to.
    Those fighters are there because the plot needs them to.
    And so on.

    This is lazy writing.

    Ex, say that when Padme and the Jedi are fleeing Naboo the first time, those fighters are there in that palace and they have pilots.
    So they have those fighters provide some cover for when they run the blockade, which makes sense.
    Some fighters are lost but many survive. But since they can't jump to hyperspace, Padme tells them to land on Naboo and hide.
    Later, one of those pilots is able to contact Padme and lets her know that the TF is now in control of Naboo and have removed the blockade and some of their forces. They have been able to hide, along with some other people and some fighters and equipment.

    There, this wouldn't take long and makes sense.

    In closing, I am able to suspend my disbelief to some extent but it is not an infinite pool and when narrative convenience becomes a contrivance, then it bothers me.
    TFA and TLJ certainly has that too, like how fast they are able to analyze SKB, or how quickly Finn and Rose figure out the "impossible" tracking tech.
    And those things detract from those films.

    Bye for now.
    Old Stoneface
  25. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

    Oct 30, 2015
    At least some of the issues you have with TPM have already been addressed in this thread.
    - Why did they send only two Jedi? It is clearly said in the movie that they would NOT help Padmé with the battle. So they were sent for the Sith. Why only 2? I honestly don't know, but my guess is they felt two against one would be enough. After all they had never dealt with a Sith before and probably underestimated Maul.
    - Why did they take Anakin along? Again, it doesn't become clear, though it's possibly in the novelization. Qui-Gon was determined to train him as a Jedi, so took him on his first mission. Maybe they do that with other Jedi children as well, take them to possibly dangerous places as part of the training.
    - How did a 9-year old manage to blow up the control ship? Because of the FORCE. He raced podraces, the only human who could. So he wasn't just a regular kid but a very Force-sensitive one, the Jedi prophecy's "chosen one" no less. Is it that surprising that such a person should show some of his skills even as a child. Yoda said "size matters not" and he was right. Could we not say "age matters not" in this case?
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