CT Plot Holes in the CT

oh yeah.How did I forget the last one...derp.

 

Yoda had either believed that Vader didn't know for certain, or wasn't going to acknowledge his former identity. The latter seems likely given how he said it was an unexpected move on Vader's part. Thus at some point, Yoda had seen something of Vader's mindset through the Force that seemed to give him reason to suspect it.

 

I've always wondered about the "slowly digested over a thousand years" thing in the Sarlaac,

well...wouldn't you be dead? you wouldn't feel acidic digestive juices burning you,

and even if you were alive, I don't think many species would live that long anyway.

Or Have I totally misread this line all these years?

 

I think Yoda and Obi-Wan not telling Luke before he went off to rescue his friends and face Vader was actually a good idea. Now I don't condone lying, but if they had had told him, Luke probably would have been more tempted to take Vader's offer.

 

No, it's accurate. The intention is that you'll suffer until you die and then instead of a proper burial or funeral pyre, you're just left there to rot.

 

ok fair enough, thanks for answering Sinister

 

In the EU, it's suggested that the Sarlacc preserves, at least to a limited degree, the intellects of its prey.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A_Barve_Like_That:_The_Tale_of_Boba_Fett

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Susejo

 

I should perhaps read the Wook more often

 

I rather doubt it. I suspect Luke would have reacted just as he had done on Bespin. I think Yoda had underestimated Luke . . . just as he had underestimated Anakin in the end. And their lying only makes them seem controlling to me. It seems as if they were incapable of giving Luke the benefit of doubt.

 

What's that you say? Old Jedi Masters attempting to control young headstrong prodigies and instead driving them down an entirely different path? Surely not! At least this time Luke at least managed to stay a hero and not dive off the deep end like his daddy.

 

I don't think it was right for Yoda and Obi-Wan to control Luke in that manner. It seemed as if they were trying to rob him of his free will or trying to manipulate his moral compass beyond his own control. And Luke nearly gave in to evil anyway. And just because he managed to overcome his negative impulses once, doesn't mean that the danger of him giving in to evil had completely disappeared. However, this is not a plot hole to me.

My biggest problem is Luke's Jedi training after "Empire Strikes Back". Why didn't he just go back to Yoda and finish his training, which would have been the right thing?

 

Yes it is quite odd that they simply don't tell him when it is clear he is leaving.
If they don't and Vader tells him, then that could be very bad. Almost certainly worse than if they told him.
And say Luke had somehow managed to kill Vader and they told him after the fact. How would he react to that? Not well I think.

As to your second point, that depends on how much time you think passes between ESB and RotJ.
In my view, since Lando and Chewie were going to Tatooine and Luke said he'd join them there,
I think that a few weeks, at most 1-2 months had passed.
So Luke did not have time to go back to Yoda, rescuing Han was more important.
As soon as that was done however, he did go back.

It does create problems in how much stronger Luke is and how more along he is in his training.
But then again, how much time passed in ESB? A few weeks, a month? And Luke went from novice to quite skilled in that short amount of time.

Bye for now.
Blackboard Monitor

 

The Jedi were trying to prepare Luke to understand why someone would choose to become evil, by training him in the Jedi Arts first. Telling Luke before hand might cause him to decide against becoming a Jedi. Luke needs to learn about the Force and the dark side, before he can be prepared for knowledge such as this. Though this, Luke comes to realize what the dark side means and is able to fight it off.

Because Luke wasn't ready to go back. He needed to rescue Han first and spent that time preparing on his own.

Initially when TESB was being written, the idea was that Luke would go back to Dagobah to finish his training at the end of the film. This was in the Brackett draft. But when Lucas reached ROTJ, he initially decided that Luke would only go back after Han was rescued and would continue his training before going to Had Abadon. But then it was too similar to TESB, so he dropped that in favor of Luke not being trained by Yoda, but training on his own. But then Lucas decided that Yoda and Obi-wan could not get involved in Luke's conflict with the Sith, so he left them out and that raised the stakes in the duel.

As to the time period, Lucas never said how long, but it was supposed to be a good long while. Official materials put it between eight months to a year.

 

The Other.

Who could it be? George's choices were really limited at that point.

It was probably best for it to be someone already present. I don't think a Johnny come lately/Scrappy would go over well. Are they just gonna introduce some random person in the last movie of the trilogy? Steve? Steve the Jedi?

Luke: Who's this guy?
Yoda: Introduce you to someone, I must. Steve, this is.
Steve: Oh, Luke, so nice to meet you! I've heard so much about you! I've been training here on Dagobah since you left your training, and I think I'm ready to join the main cast! Have you come back to complete your training?
Luke: Ben, you said I was the only one! *runs off crying*
Steve: Oh, Luke, don't be like that. Anger leads to hate!

Okay, so if it's not going to be Steve, who could it be?

Could it be Han? The non-believer?
Lando, the scoundrel?
Chewie?
R2 or 3PO?
Boba Fett?
Wedge?
The Wampa?
Lobot?

Leia is the best option. The only real option, imo. Better than Steve. Or some guy named Kane Starkiller or whatever.

 

Steve, played by Ben Affleck?

NNNNOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The other was Luke's sister, who wasn't Leia. She would still be out there.

Lucas changed it when he decided to wrap it all up and end at Jedi.

 

Oh dear, that was a big mistake.

 

I actually like the idea that Luke trained himself during that time. It showed his independence and that you don't need to rely on your masters all the time.

 

Why? All it meant was refining what he learned which worked as he was able to construct a Lightsaber, rescue Han and then fight his father in battle. In basic terms, Luke had most of what was necessary. He just needed to master self-discipline. Given what we know of TFA, it seems to be more than sufficient.

 

How does the Empire explain away that it has destroyed an entire planet of 10 billion sentient beings? Surely the galaxy will be curious for an explanation of this.

 

Luke wasn't with Yoda long enough to advance to the level that he did by the third film on his own. In fact, I find it very improbable that he did without a hands on tutor.

 

How far advanced was he really? The only difference I see from TESB is that he had learned to control himself. He was still cocky and displayed aggression (Force choking, threatening Jabba). He seemed very composed throughout most of the movie, but with Vader and Palpatine, he was basically just playing it cool. His anger lay dormant just beneath the surface, waiting for something to trigger it.
Yoda knew that. That's why he said that Luke had to face Vader. He had to pass that trial in order to learn true control.

"That's what you'll get for sticking it to the man. Now fall in line!"

 

Remember what Tarkin said about fear making the systems fall in line. That policy wouldn't work at all if the Empire chose to explain away Alderaan's destruction as anything but a blatant threat of violent retribution to any world that didn't toe the line.

 

It seems improbable to me that a simple case learning self control was the difference between his skills in the second movie and his skills in the third movie. That seems to be reaching it for me.