plot holes

Blackout · Jan 29, 2009

ObiWanJedi93 said:

Episode IV they all refer to R-series as "R2" units, when the one Luke and Owen bought was an R4, hehe.
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R5, but I know what you mean

ObiWanJedi93 · Jan 29, 2009

Geez, my brain is all messy today. A few minutes after I posted that message, when I was leaving my house, both of those struck me. It was an R5 unit, and 3PO got his mind washed in Episode III....... Shame on me for not remembering! Redeem me, George Lucas!

Blackout · Jan 29, 2009

It's alright, the other day I posted that Dave Prowse had been the voice of Vader, Darth Farmer indeed...

We all slip from time to time.

MargoChandler · Jan 29, 2009

Nice come back Obi-Rob! And completely right ...from a certain point of view. I feel strongly that the individual formulates ideas about and around what the films show us. It's easy for me to say I see Obi-1 as a strict disciplinarian and no where near "father" or even "brother" figure (until much later). It could be because I "knew" Obi-1 from the OT first and looked for that gentle, compassionate man. Because the PT Obi-1 is younger, more brash and colder (it seemed); I didn't really like him. But I learned a lot in TPM about Jedi and what that organization was about and when I think about it - Obi-1 at that time is an almost perfect Jedi (flawed, yes, but almost....). Nothing like Qui-Gon - who is more like the Obi-1 of the OT.

Your idea about Leia having feelings about her mother can be the answer as well. It keeps the Force and it's secrets alive. I only felt that it could have easily been shown how she "sensed" her mother in the PT. Am I the type that likes "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed...kinda. Sorry about that!

But all of us have different ideas about the "holes" in the saga...what would work best, how it would help continuity, what might have been a better fight! For me they are all right as my own ideas are. It's that the greatest thing about Star Wars?

DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR · Jan 30, 2009

obi-rob-kenobi4 said:

arctrooper84 said:

Do you think we'll get answers to why things in the prequels don't match up with the original trilogy. I'm hoping they use the clone wars series to address these glaring issues which was more or less everything that anyone told luke in the original trilogy. It's kind of funny when you think about about it. These issues stick out the most to me: Obi wan's short term memory as he doesn't recognize R2(Then again you can chalk that up to him being an organic supremacist and hating on droids as we've seen in the new series), Anakin being a great pilot when he first met him (pod racing doesn't...doesn't count), taking it upon himself to train him( Qui-gon guilted him into it), being good friends ( how, he's always scolding him), "when I any diffenent when you trained me" ( When he was 5 years old?), etc. Then Leia says she remembers her mother, it just goes on and on, and it makes it had for me to enjoy the prequels (which is hard as it is).
At least the issue of obi wan serving under bail organa was addressed in wild space. And I hope these issues can be resolved with better explanations in the tv series. Lucas had 20 years to come up with explanations and apparantly it just didn't matter to him as long as he gets to tell the story he wants to tell, and it's up to us fans to pick up the pieces. So I hope the shows writers take some of this into consideration so we can watch the original trilogy again without getting a headache.
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1.)Even IF he remembered after 19 years of solitude why would he think its important to tell Luke? This is REALLY no big deal.

2.)Pod racing doesn't count? Oh really?! Doing something that no other human could ever do, being better at it than the champions in the sport and doing it at the age of 10 doesn't count?! and lets not forget how he pretty much won the space battle at the end of the movie when no one else could and SINGLE HANDEDLY saved the whole planet.

This is ANOTHER thing that fans have always been totally unfair about because they all love to complain about it but if Lucas didn't put the pilot stuff in than A.) anakin wouldn't have had any action in the movie and B.) it would create the plot hole of him not being a pilot. People think its unrealistic that a kid(the chosen one) can pilot a spaceship but they have no problem with using the force to make things levitate. The force was with him. period. after that there should be no more need for more explanation.

3.)He DID take it upon himself and in the movie we see WHY he took it upon himself -because of Gui-gon, and he didn't "guilt" him into it, he now believed in qui-gon for believing in anakin and rightfully so.

4.) They were best friends, master and apprentice and an unstoppable teem in the clone wars, we even learn that anakin thinks of obi-wan as a father figure and obi-wan thinks of anakin as his brother. The little arguments they have and bickering they do means no more than when R2-D2 and C-3po do it. Its the FANS that have been thinking up problems with the ani/obi relationship since 2002 and if they put just some of that energy into understanding that the bickering and competing make for a more interesting dynamic relationship that petting and hugging each other all the time would than this whole overrated complaint would not even exist.

5.)he was talking about alot more than 5 years,more like his whole life until the age of 12 or 13. he was talking about the whole first stage of jedi training witch is pretty much the most important part of jedi training as we see what happens when you go without it with anakin. and he was a little naive and impatient as a padawan -witch all jedi are.

6.)Leia did remember her mother because she felt it in the force. you can believe that the force can lift x-wings out of water but not let one have memories and/or visions of birth?

The fans have now had 10 years to understand these things but they apparently don't want to.

Really, is it THAT hard to cope with how Lucas chose to portray the answers to
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Qui-Gon_Reborn · Feb 1, 2009

obi-rob-kenobi4 said:

arctrooper84 said:

Do you think we'll get answers to why things in the prequels don't match up with the original trilogy. I'm hoping they use the clone wars series to address these glaring issues which was more or less everything that anyone told luke in the original trilogy. It's kind of funny when you think about about it. These issues stick out the most to me: Obi wan's short term memory as he doesn't recognize R2(Then again you can chalk that up to him being an organic supremacist and hating on droids as we've seen in the new series), Anakin being a great pilot when he first met him (pod racing doesn't...doesn't count), taking it upon himself to train him( Qui-gon guilted him into it), being good friends ( how, he's always scolding him), "when I any diffenent when you trained me" ( When he was 5 years old?), etc. Then Leia says she remembers her mother, it just goes on and on, and it makes it had for me to enjoy the prequels (which is hard as it is).
At least the issue of obi wan serving under bail organa was addressed in wild space. And I hope these issues can be resolved with better explanations in the tv series. Lucas had 20 years to come up with explanations and apparantly it just didn't matter to him as long as he gets to tell the story he wants to tell, and it's up to us fans to pick up the pieces. So I hope the shows writers take some of this into consideration so we can watch the original trilogy again without getting a headache.
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1.)Even IF he remembered after 19 years of solitude why would he think its important to tell Luke? This is REALLY no big deal.

2.)Pod racing doesn't count? Oh really?! Doing something that no other human could ever do, being better at it than the champions in the sport and doing it at the age of 10 doesn't count?! and lets not forget how he pretty much won the space battle at the end of the movie when no one else could and SINGLE HANDEDLY saved the whole planet.

This is ANOTHER thing that fans have always been totally unfair about because they all love to complain about it but if Lucas didn't put the pilot stuff in than A.) anakin wouldn't have had any action in the movie and B.) it would create the plot hole of him not being a pilot. People think its unrealistic that a kid(the chosen one) can pilot a spaceship but they have no problem with using the force to make things levitate. The force was with him. period. after that there should be no more need for more explanation.

3.)He DID take it upon himself and in the movie we see WHY he took it upon himself -because of Gui-gon, and he didn't "guilt" him into it, he now believed in qui-gon for believing in anakin and rightfully so.

4.) They were best friends, master and apprentice and an unstoppable teem in the clone wars, we even learn that anakin thinks of obi-wan as a father figure and obi-wan thinks of anakin as his brother. The little arguments they have and bickering they do means no more than when R2-D2 and C-3po do it. Its the FANS that have been thinking up problems with the ani/obi relationship since 2002 and if they put just some of that energy into understanding that the bickering and competing make for a more interesting dynamic relationship that petting and hugging each other all the time would than this whole overrated complaint would not even exist.

5.)he was talking about alot more than 5 years,more like his whole life until the age of 12 or 13. he was talking about the whole first stage of jedi training witch is pretty much the most important part of jedi training as we see what happens when you go without it with anakin. and he was a little naive and impatient as a padawan -witch all jedi are.

6.)Leia did remember her mother because she felt it in the force. you can believe that the force can lift x-wings out of water but not let one have memories and/or visions of birth?

The fans have now had 10 years to understand these things but they apparently don't want to.

Really, is it THAT hard to cope with how Lucas chose to portray the answers to
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obi-rob-kenobi4 · Feb 1, 2009

Thanks guys but its not just me comeing up with "answers" to these so called "plot holes" these answers have always been there.

So if anything spread the word to people who actually do think there are some kind of abundance of plots holes affiliated with the PT.

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