ST Poe Dameron & Rey and their dynamic moving forward in IX

Oh yes a story line where the genuinely good, caring and selfless man of color can never measure up to the homicidal white fascist who has no qualities worth loving, so clever, just what we need in today's climate.

 

You can thank Carrie for that, and Pablo for the note on the ring. What's also interest in is that if you look at Leia's page, in its own box, the homing beacon states that the one that Rey wears is the mated pair to the one that Leia has. Page 16

Now that might not be so significant at first but the thing is most mated pairs are usually used when dealing with a significant other. Either its wedding rings, best friend necklaces or usually sister things.

So Finn giving that to Poe is important. And Leia doesn't take it back till after Poe has the violent reaction to waking up after the cut from Rey to him.

 

Before TLJ came out, in the last 2 years, I've tried a couple of times to say.. guys look at this. Maybe it's something worth to discuss.
So, of course I agree, and I'm happy I'm not alone in this boat anymore.

But I may put to your attention, more hints that led me to believe that JJ consciously played with that trope.
And the meeting - that we now know was filmed but cut - was the perfect conclusion to their arcs, but I'll come to that later.

I said this before, not only there are a lot of shoots almost identical, but many lines too.
And you have to pay attention to the use of lights.

Here only shoots, but please read the descriptions

https://imgur.com/a/eiR5q

Here the lines, but if you pay attention to the dicothomy Light/Dark, it's basically everywhere.

https://imgur.com/a/rTO8h

In this context, the missing meeting scene (that we now know was filemd but cut) it's far more interesting, not only because there was the "I know"
but if compared to the introducing scenes Poe-Finn and Finn-Rey.

I belive, the missing Poe-Rey scene, they do the reverse of what they've done with Finn.
So it was like closing the circle. That's why it is important to know, it was filmed.
Because again, to me, that's the best hint that JJ was intentionaly using that trope. Strat to finish.

In the novel, meeting Rey, Poe first introduces himself.
"Uh, hi" the pilot mumbled "I'm Poe." With Finn, it was the contrary.

POE: Hey, what's your name?
FINN: FN-2187!

However nothing "strange" untill now.
But when it comes to Rey, her reply may suggest any line (if compared) was not coincidence:

First she says "I recognize the name".

Therefore among millions possible lines, curiously those words were exactly the contrary of "I don't know your name" which is what she told Finn.
And then "So you're Poe. Poe Dameron" Again, curiously the very same words Poe said to Finn at the end of their scene "I'm Poe. Poe Dameron"

And again "curiously", in the novel she adds something else "The x-wing pilot." Maybe a callback of what she told to Finn "I've never met a Resistance fighter before".
And of course, in the end there was also the "I Kown".

That is why, in all honesty, I think in JJ's vision there was something interesting but subtle.

That said, again.
I'm 90% sure, in IX they will be the non-blood related legacy of the Skywalker.

They will be "true" heirs, facing Kylo.
And that also will make beatiful in retrospect the 2 interrogations of TFA.
Because symbolically, that is Kylo facing all his family legacy: the Jedi and the Republic/Rebellion/Resistance.

A romance? I don't know.
But it could be.
To me, or it's going to be Reylo or it's going to be the end of the Skywalker bloodline with or without a romance between Poe and Rey, but again with them as the "heirs" regardless the blood.

 

Given that Rey had to deal with the pain of facing the truth about her parents abandoning her, the death of her surrogate father figures, and seeing how Finn has chosen another, I could see Ep 9 showing how Rey has closed off her heart somewhat. Maybe on one hand she wants what Finn & Rose have, but on the other hand, she's afraid of the pain of meaningful connections, so she hasn't allowed anything with Poe to happen.

Then maybe at the end, while they're celebrating their victory, have Rey ask Poe to dance or something, realising that any pain that comes from friendship and love is better than what Kylo Ren had, which was no one.

 

I got the feeling she wasn't closing herself to people at the end of episode 8- the bright lighting of the Millennium Falcon and her big smile (she rarely smiles in the movie) showed that she was happy to meet Poe (whether they end up just friends or something more). For good chunk of the movie, she was in darkness or misty locations only sometimes illuminated by firelight or burning embers.

Similarly, Poe and the rest of the resistance were greeted by right light at the end of the blocked tunnel when Rey lifted the rocks on Crait....I saw it as them being a source of light to the other person as well as the rest of the resistance. I'm hoping they interact more in the next movie.

 

Yes, I just read that as well. If the are doing this intentionally then the point is well taken, the appearance of a budding connection is evident. Without even considering it in the Visual Dictionary just the natural flow of the story seemed to hint at the natural passing of the relationship, especially when you consider Finn and Rose into the equation. I wonder what type of commentary we will get when the blu-ray is released and if there are any more thoughts from Rian on this, because he asked JJ to remove material from TFA, so he could use it in TLJ.

panki agree, the lighting contrast in that moment from when the boulders were moved to when her conversation was over with Poe is telling, even when see looks at Finn caring for Rose, the lighting is different. By the way did anyone notice if Poe gave the beacon back to Leia after Crait or does he still have it?

 

to be clear, finn didn't choose anyone. Some taser happy girl kissed him after giving a pointless lecture.

 

It seemed to me he choose, on the Falcon the medical officer was already assisting Rose, and Rey was by herself in that moment he choose; he could've went and started another conversation with Rey but he decided to go over and put a blanket over Rose. Then Rey and Poe decided to have a conversation.

 

It think that's too ambiguous to say that he "chose". Of course Finn will try to care for his friend, medical officer or not. We'll probably learn more when the novelization comes out but I don't think we should make any assumptions here.

 

You understand what this forum is. Furthermore, the visual dictionary and the writers comments support the idea that Finn and Rey’s relationship changed after the events on Crait. Also Anthony Brezcian has since put out interviews that explain the Falcon scene further - “I know”

 

Can you care to provide sources for any of these claims?

 

God, I really, REALLY hope they don't pair Rey and Poe. At this point she'll have had potential romantic relations with every dude in the main cast. Not only will a romance between them feel entirely lame (they've had three lines so far together), it'd feel sloppy. The woman doesn't HAVE to be with a dude. You don't need to play match maker with every man in the galaxy for her. She barely knows herself at this point. She doesn't need to add romance on top of that.

 

Yeah. I said that too.
But in all honesty, first until now it looks more like guys (Finn and Kylo) had a crash on her, than the reverse. And second - we may prefer something else but - maybe they are building/using another kind of trope if there's going to be a romance for her. Finn is the friend/brother you're never going to fall for, then the "bad guy" you somehow sympatize with then.. the man you really fall for. It may be a journey like that.
Especially if what some of us have pointed about Rey and Poe arcs in both TFA and TLJ is correct.
But I still hold on my point.
To me is 50% Reylo / 50% the end of the Skywalker bloodline with Poe and Rey "spiritual" heirs carring the torch with or without a romance between the two.

 

I honestly think the whole thing has been a mess for Rey's character so far. We're two films in and frankly she hasn't really done anything. She's the main character because they say she's the main character. Ben got all the development, and Rey was relegated to being an audience surrogate. She's done nothing outside of existing to warrant her picking up the heroes mantle. Her powers are basically being handed to her because Ben is working hard for them, she's a Jedi just cause (even though there's nothing to suggest she knows the first thing about being a Jedi), and she's just great at things because she is. I have a hard time caring about Rey at all, let alone a romance arc for her.

There's just to much to do in the two hour runtime for 9 to fit in a romance. They did a terrible job in TLJ of giving characters things to do and develop, that I feel like 9 will be in overdrive to finish this story in any kind of way that's satisfying. No ground was really covered, no allies made, nothing happens really. The characters don't progress outside of Ben, and the whole film feels like it should have been the opening act to a different 8 that actually had an arc in mind for the trilogy. The whole thing feels aimless at this point. Ben got all the development and even then, i still don't really know jack all about him.

 

I was left w/the impression they're playing with expectations too. I think Rey and Finn are a non-related take on Luke and Leia, defying the expectation that an unrelated male and female who automatically get along are going to be a couple.

With Rey and Kylo, I think they're flipping the expectation that they're just enemies because he was introduced as a villian and she a hero. I don't know if they'll actually end up as a couple, but I think their experience w/each other in 8 will play out in 9.

I have my doubts Rey and Kylo will ultimately end up together, but I do think there are feelings/attraction between them and some kind of declaration will happen. I just think it'll probably be tragic. He might live, but i dont know. I think it's equally possible he dies, with Rey as his reason.

If that happens, I could certainly see Rey and Poe getting together in the future. They're both the new heirs of the Skywalker legacy and they have many things in common. I don't think it would happen in 9, but the movie would give them more intetactions and end with foreshadowing of it going in a romantic direction in the future.

 

There's a lot more to that moment then a Taser happy girl giving him a pointless lecture. Finn at the beginning of the movie was taking the beacon away from the ship and was going to run off with it so that Rey would end up just finding him. Given her attitude in Episode 7, I think she would have been pretty mad if he had accomplished what he was trying to do in that case. After he meets Rose and she tells him about who she is, he starts to realize how he's seen to people. That he's more then just his number now, and that people genuinely look up to him as a sort of living legend. On top of that we have a moment when Rose admits she's been stopping people from running away, and it's understandable. Their trip to the Casino pretty much is there to teach him about understanding the world in a different way. While things are bright, there's a lot to the underbelly of the place. Rose realizes that throwing your life away in some gambit that might not work, was insane, and having Finn, who is seen as a hero, alive and well to push forward the Rebellion helps out the larger cause. That's not even to mention she's echoing what Leia told Poe, that dead heroes don't help things.

Finn does chose to go by Rose to put a blanket on her, showing the compassion he's gained over these two movies, and doing something that Rey did for him. He's taking care of her the same way Poe and Rey did for him. So yes he did chose to be by her side, what that means for the two, we don't know.

 

And that bolded there was one of the reasons why I was worried when I heard Rian was going to write and direct episode 8. His work on his other films, while very good, seem to be very much about one person and their journey over every other characters in the film. He also has a habit of kind of telling the story where if you know the movie he's pulling from you can see that he sort of plopped his main characters into the role of the movie he was inspired by and just sort of retold sections of the movie with the new characters. That's why when I was seeing Rey and Ben I knew that most of the story he was telling there came from Letter's Never Sent, because Rey was acting very much like the lead female regarding her relationships with the main guy and the other possible love interest.

Rey became like that because Rian wanted to explore Ben, which is fine, but it would have been suited for a solo film, not this. You can see he's a fan of the series, but his style is very...annoying in some ways, especially if you've seen the movies he's basing his story on. Like Poe's whole section with Holdo was lifted from Twelve o'clock High, and I was just waiting for Laura Duern to say something like Gregory Peck, because she was pretty much playing his character from that movie.

You can fit in a romance in two hours, the issue is that you have to have really good chemistry between the actors, and...well at least have some form of focus on the quiet moments. Han and Leia pulled it off in Empire because we were allowed to breath, and Rian I don't think knows how to direct that sort of moment. JJ at least seems to as he pulled off Spock and Uhura in Star Trek so I'll give him that. Well DJ is a sort of Ally in a way...although I don't know how that's going to play into things later.

I agree that Ben feels very much a surrogate the same way Rey does for this movie. We know nothing of what lured Snoke to him in the first place, and we already had a clue about his family issues. This movie should have been focused on Rey over Ben in the story telling department. Not the other way around.

I'm not thinking they're going to kill off Kylo just yet. Skywalker name is kind of important to the movies. But I do agree that he's attracted to her, but she doesn't seem to be as into him. It's more a "I want to help you." sort of thing. The problem is that she wants to help him for the wrong reasons.

@Ben-Solo He had it when he was jolted awake after Rey screamed while Snoke was hurting her, so my guess is that he gave it back to Leia when they landed and before Rey showed up.

 

I share the same feeling about 8.
But still... We're not writing these movies. It's up to them, not us.
As for Reylo, I'm not looking forward to it. I never was. But if I try to look at what the set up for 9 may be for 9.. those are the chances I see. It's not that I have to like them or find them 100% compelling... And if it's going to be Rey-Poe, sure I would have love more a different journey.

 

Do you guys think that they may expand on things in the Pie Dameron comic, in regard to developing relationships, like Rey and Poe, Finn and Rey, and Poe and Finn?

 

doubtful. He's a totally different character in the comics.

 

Anything is possible. Right now their on Poe Dameron #22 and in #24 is supposed to be the mission to Jakku in "Force Awakens" from there any exposition is possible. I do find it more likely though to be more developed in a novel but I could see it occuring in one medium or another. I wouldn't doubt a new comic emerging either.

 

Well comi

Well comics are more in line with TF A then with TLJ so I assume the writer will make it work.

 

Thats the only chance that it'll happen.

 

I ship Poe and Rey wholeheartedly.

Finn is like Rey's brother.
Kylo for all we know could be her brother (depends on JJ).

Regardless, I think Leia sees Finn, Rey and Poe as surrogate children and would like to see them all happy. I could see Leia playing matchmaker and humming along as if she had no idea how they got together.

 

I'm shipping Rey/Poe. I think Finn/Rey is like sibling love. Also, I think the fact that RJ made a point to include the Rey/Poe and Finn/Rose scenes was pretty telling. I was totally off the Rey/Kylo sibling thing leading up to this movie, but now I'm now torn and think it is still quite possible. Kylo could've easily been lying about Rey's parentage.