Discussion Poll: If I didn't like Into Darkness, should I be worried for SW7?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by garrwars, Jun 1, 2013.

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If I didn't like Into Darkness, should I be worried for SW7?

This poll will close on Jun 1, 2023 at 11:01 AM.
Yes 2 vote(s) 8.0%
No, ST(09) was good because they made it like SW, & STID was bad because they made it like Trek. 1 vote(s) 4.0%
No, it has more to do with the bad writing on STID that won't be on SW7. 5 vote(s) 20.0%
No, J.J. is a fan of SW. He has more respect for the characters & won't turn them to caricatures. 1 vote(s) 4.0%
No, SW7 won't be a semi-remake of an old crappy movie like STID was. 0 vote(s) 0.0%
No, we just need to be worried about Episode 8 if J.J.'s doing it. 1 vote(s) 4.0%
No, other. 8 vote(s) 32.0%
I'm crazy & I liked STID despite it's many flaws, so I don't know what you're talking about. 7 vote(s) 28.0%
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  1. garrwars Jedi Master

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    Aug 31, 2011
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    I really liked Star Trek (2009), but I really didn't like Star Trek Into Darkness. Do I need to be worried about Star Wars Episode VII?

    Mav Edit: This can be and has been discussed in the JJ Abrams Directing thread.
    Last edited by mavjade, Jun 1, 2013
  2. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    star 5
    It's a completely different franchise in a completely different situation. So no.
  3. Han Burgundy Jedi Grand Master

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    star 3
    Into Darkness was a solid (but yes, flawed) movie, and it makes me incredibly hopeful for the next Star Wars. All of the space stuff, the group dialogue, the emotion (with one exception) was really well done and a lot of fun. And- hey! -he actually tried for some thematic depth this time. I have no doubt after seeing this movie that JJ can make a great Star Wars film as long as he adapts his style to Star Wars sensibilities. Knowing his reverence for the source material, he will.

    That being said, even if you don't like STID, it shouldn't be a cause for fear. Star Wars is a completely different beast for JJ. Unlike trek, Star Wars is something he has ingrained in his brain, it's something he subconsciously worships in every frame of all of his films, so when he is handed the keys to actually direct and actual Star Wars film, I think the only thing we should be worried about is that it might be too much a stylistic carbon-copy of the OT films.

    Unlike Trek fans, I think we have the luxury of not having to be afraid that JJ is going to make Leia make out with Lando, or blow up Tatooine (actually that could happen...). There will be absolutely no sacred cows slaughtered in this film. The only thing we need to ask ourselves is whether or not that's a good thing.
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  4. FRAGWAGON Force Ghost

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    star 4
  5. ezekiel22x Chosen One

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    star 4
    Did you like Super 8? I have a hunch that film might be an even better "what to expect" guide than the Star Trek films.
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  6. DarthBreezy Chosen One

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    star 6
    But if he doesn't knock off those damned LENS FLARES I'm personally going to hunt him down and choke him.
    STID wasn't a 'crappy remake of a bad film' - it relied too heavily/robbed blind one of the very best Trek films in the franchise.
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  7. spicer Jedi Grand Master

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    I like Star Trek in general (not as much as Star Wars though). I also liked ST 2009 and Into Darkness. Into Darkness was a fun movie, but nothing too special for me, and I blame that mainly on the script. Considering that episode 7 is not written by the same people that wrote into darkness, I think we will be fine.
  8. TigerCraneFist Chosen One

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    Sep 20, 2002
    star 4
    In my opinion, Into Darkness was great. I'm not voting in that ridiculous poll though - the alternatives are... coloured by your own preferences.
    Also, Into Darkness was in no way a remake of Wrath of Khan (in itself a great film) - it has the same bad guy (I don't think that counts as a spoiler any more), and one scene mirrors it (in a good way IMO). Otherwise, the stories have nothing in common.
    Is JJ the guy for Star Wars? Obviously the maker himself thinks so, that's good enough for me for the time being.

    Also, does this warrant its own thread?
  9. Jedi Gunny Yahtzee Host

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    star 8
    I don't think you can really compare the two franchises like this. It's really not fair to expect that one movie will equal another; they are totally different animals.
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  10. garrwars Jedi Master

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    star 1
    Yeah, Super 8 is really good. You may be right.
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  11. Bobatron Jedi Grand Master

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    star 3
    It depends if the mixed reception to Star Trek Into Darkness is affecting the preparation for EPISODE VII. Doing the "Wrath of Khan" thing may have seemed like a good idea at the time...and some people like it but others don't. Does this matter? You can bet Bad Robot, Lucasfilm, Disney, and whomever are doing all kinds of analysis and deciding if they should have this character or not have that homage or whatever.
    A lot of this also depends on what inspired the hiring of J.J. Abrams in the first place. Was he desired because Kennedy and Lucas were impressed by his rebooting and repopularizing of Star Trek and want the same to happen with Star Wars? Was it because of his sensibilities when paying homage to Spielberg with Super 8? Was it because Lucas really liked LOST? We really don't know what Lucas and others want of these new movies.
  12. Ghost Chosen One

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    star 6
    Directors aren't moviemaking dictators.

    The people who write the script, play the characters, make the sets and costumes, etc. are much more important than whoever the director is.
  13. Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus

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    star 7
    "STID was bad because they made it like Trek."
    "SW7 won't be a semi-remake of an old crappy movie"
    "I'm crazy & I liked STID"

    This poll makes me feel like I've just been phoned during dinner by one of those "legitimate" political survey companies.
    Last edited by Dark Lady Mara, Jun 1, 2013
  14. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    star 8
    Flaws with STID aside, it's hardly a bad movie. It gets right much of what the PT movies got wrong and manages to be entertaining as well as put in references for fans of the Trek OS.

    Episode VII will have a better script (by a scriptwriter who loves Star Wars) and be directed by someone who is a big fan of the franchise. It will have Lucas' input and KK will be sure the creator likes what is being done with it. Abrams did Trek because he thought he would never get to do a Star Wars movie, so it's not surprising he modelled a reboot on the thing he loves most.
  15. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    star 4
    I am NOT crazy, have good taste in movies, and liked STID. (check)

    STID is not terribly relevant to SW 7. (check)
  16. Slash78 Force Ghost

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    star 3
    Into Darkness was in no way a WoK remake. Why? Because "John Harrison" had absolutely nothing against Kirk. It was more a combination of the episode Space Seed and the plot from the Novel "Dreadnought".

    I think more of the "problem" for most people is the fact that it's not a simple remake. Plus there were two villains. As they say, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend...unless it's KHAAAANNNN!!!!!!!!!"
  17. Vthuil Force Ghost

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    star 4
    Which is probably why "no, other" is currently the leading response.
  18. Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus

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    star 7
    I tried to
    How about an option for "remove me from your list"? :p

    Seriously, I'm leaning more towards Yes/Maybe, but for reasons that have nothing to do with STID. I'm still not entirely sure what I think of Abrams' directorial style. Haven't seen Super 8, but I did see Cloverfield and was unimpressed by it.
    Last edited by Dark Lady Mara, Jun 1, 2013
  19. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    star 4

    JJ won't have the same free reign he had with Trek either. He had his group of people working on Trek, Wars is a Lucasfilm project that he happens to be a part of. That said, I think he will prove to be a good choice so I'm not worried about it.
  20. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    star 5
    Matt Reeves directed Cloverfield. JJ was the producer.
  21. KED12345 Force Ghost

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    star 4
    The options in this thread seem to indicate if you liked Star Trek Into Darkness (which most people did) that we're crazy and our opinions don't matter.

    The problems I've heard are all around the script, I haven't heard anything about stiff acting or lame portrayals of characters because JJ Abrams is a great director because he knows how to make a cast act, and incredibly well. Michael Arndt wrote Toy Story 3 which by many is considered the best of the three while winning an Oscar for Little Miss Sunshine, and Lindelof won't be involved in Episode VII.
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  22. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    Nov 3, 2012
    star 4
    How do we define "mixed reception?" If "mixed" means anything that wasn't an overwhelming success that nearly everyone is raving about, then I guess you could call it that; you could also call its reception on this site as "mixed." However, the vast majority of critics and viewers have given it positive reviews (as evidenced by any site you like that shows things across the board).
  23. KED12345 Force Ghost

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    star 4

    An 8.3 on IMDB and an 87% on RT is hardly "mixed." By all accounts if anything, Into Darkness is about as critically acclaimed as the last one.
  24. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    star 4
    I liked Into Darkness for the most part. It had it's flaws, but it was enjoyable.
  25. Vthuil Force Ghost

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    star 4
    Come to think of it, I actually would have voted yes, even though I liked Into Darkness myself, because I think Abrams' Trek is sufficiently SW-like that someone's opinion of it is a good gauge for what they'll think of EVII. But the leading choices annoyed me too much.
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