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Pornographic Material: Right or Wrong?

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by TrainingForUtopia, Mar 26, 2002.

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  1. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "I wouldn't say I hate myself. I hate my flesh and my sinful nature. I hate my addiction to porn. But I don't hate myself. "
    so you do feel ashamed. Why is your flesh hated? I really dont understand this. and your sinful nature, so you must then think all of us who enjoy porn should be ashamed of our sinful nature. Just b/c you feel ashamed, and were "addicted" to porn doesnt mean other people feel the same way.

    Nothing wrong with looking at pics of naked girls, or naked whatever you happen to like
     
  2. ami-padme

    ami-padme Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    TFU, I understand that you feel you had a problem with porn...but do you have an issue with adults choosing to consume it? Do you think that everyone that does has a problem of some sort (i.e., in the way they look at/treat women)? Because if not, then bascially the whole thing boils down to adults making their own decisions, and I'm not sure what the point/debate is here. Just asking.
     
  3. TrainingForUtopia

    TrainingForUtopia Jedi Youngling star 4

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    "...but do you have an issue with adults choosing to consume it? Do you think that everyone that does has a problem of some sort (i.e., in the way they look at/treat women)?"

    Yes, I do have a problem with it. I think it gives young men and adults alike a false impression of what "beauty" is. I think it degrades women by making them feel like they have to live up to those standards of "beauty."
     
  4. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    that is nonsense, that is why there are different types of porn, different strokes for different folks, porn actually is better in that regard than the mainstream media, b/c any kind of woman i might find attractive, from rail thin to obese is available in the world of porn
     
  5. JediLord

    JediLord Jedi Master star 4

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    Porn MAY cause SOME to look at women as sex objects, but no one ever blames the women for being in those films. It's the same as when women look at Brad Pitt and feel lustful.
     
  6. ami-padme

    ami-padme Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think it gives young men and adults alike a false impression of what "beauty" is.

    As does most of TV, modeling, you name it (I'll never look like 99.9% of people I see on TV, and I still think I'm beautiful, dammit. ;)) So those are false images as well. Do you have a problem with all of it? Do you think that adults are generally so unable to tell the difference between that and the "real world" that it becomes detrimental to the way they live? And what about people who enjoy porn, or any entertainment, precisely because it's "false"? If I want to see people who look like me, act like me, have the same problems, etc...I wouldn't need a TV, or go to the movies, or what-have-you. Sometimes the falseness/fantasy is what's entertaining. I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, as long as it's adults making that choice...


    I think it degrades women by making them feel like they have to live up to those standards of "beauty."

    See above.
     
  7. Ariana Lang

    Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling star 5

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    I'm going to talk about a different side of pornography. I'm not going to talk about the objectification of women, or whether or not it should be legal/illegal. I'm going to talk about what pornography says about our society.

    What does it say about a society that is so obsessed with a normal biological function? It is twisted. Some argue that "if there were more sexual freedom" there would be less pornography. Bull.
    1)In Roman times, sex was about as free as it could get. There was still pornography everywhere.
    2)We've jumped greatly in terms of sexual freedom and sexual oppression since the Victorian era. The amount of pornography has gone up, not down.

    Let me put it this way (and in case someone screams "plagerism!" yes I did borrow this from someone): If we encountered a society where people sold magazines of veal cutlets and there were videos on the internet of people cutting up steaks, wouldn't we think they were a little weird?? It's the same kind of thing -- a normal biological function (eating) being obsessed over.
     
  8. Dath_BigGAME

    Dath_BigGAME Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I want for us to continue a rational conversation because I am truly interested in what you have to say TFU...you have peaked my interest.

    Yes, I do have a problem with it. I think it gives young men and adults alike a false impression of what "beauty" is. I think it degrades women by making them feel like they have to live up to those standards of "beauty."

    What is beauty to you?

    I do sincerely hate that you feel the way you do (guilty or what not) about watching porn. That would be bad on me emotionly to carry around excess guilt. If you have asked, God has forgiven you.
     
  9. TrainingForUtopia

    TrainingForUtopia Jedi Youngling star 4

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    "As does most of TV, modeling, you name it. So those are false images as well. Do you have a problem with all of it?"

    Actually, yes, I do have a problem with all of it. The media's idea of "beauty" disgusts me. The media teaches young boys that they must be macho, never cry, and sleep with as many women as possible to be a man. The media teaches young girls that they must be skinny, wear lots of makeup, and dress like a slut to be beautiful. It all makes me sick.

    "What is beauty to you?"

    Beauty to me is something that goes much farther beyone mere physical attractiveness. A person's inner being and personality is what makes them beautiful.

    "If you have asked, God has forgiven you."

    Of course He has forgiven me, because I did ask. But He doesn't just tell us to confess our sins, but also to repent from them.
     
  10. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well Ariana, most other societies in the world besides islamic ones are teeming with porn and it is much more out in the open. If you have ever been to europe you will see that there are more porn shops and they are looked upon with less scorn. If you dont look down upon porn, then it makes things alot better.


    and TFU see my above post, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, otherwise there would not be fetish magazines featuring over 50, obese women, or women missing limbs.
     
  11. Ariana Lang

    Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Yes...sleazo...I know other people besides Americans look at pornography. When I was speaking of "society" I was speaking more of a global society, of humanity. What was your point?
     
  12. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Im saying its not wierd that people obsess over a biological function, especially the one function that is basically behind almost every action we do, conciously or subconciously(yes i am a believer in evolutionary psychology).

    I think you really dont like me aRiana
    ;)
     
  13. Dath_BigGAME

    Dath_BigGAME Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Point taken that beauty is more than skin deep.

    What about the guys that think "porn stars" are beautiful? Most are not. What if it is for the fact that Sleazo might find a girl attractive that loves sex. A porn star usually loves sex. That would make the porn star beautiful to Sleazo...that is what is meant by different strokes for different folks.

    ''Sleazo used as example only...nothing in this post is implied as Sleazo's personal belief, as I do not know him''
     
  14. TrainingForUtopia

    TrainingForUtopia Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Gee, I guess everyone who likes porn stars really just likes their personalities, right? [face_plain]

    Give me a freakin' break!
     
  15. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    no offence taken,
    mmmmmm... janine
     
  16. Ariana Lang

    Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling star 5

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    If you look at all the different species on this planet, the humans are the only ones that are this freaked out about sex. I honestly have to say that if aliens came to our planet and saw how almost everything we did pertained in some way to sex (I mean, c'mon, I just saw a commercial with blatently sexual innuendos to sell like bread or something. Lame...) they'd just be like "What the hell?"

    Sleazo: Did you read my first post on this? Because the way you're answering makes me feel like you didn't.
     
  17. DUSHONI

    DUSHONI Jedi Master star 4

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    Yunno...I once met a porn star at a cluib and we hooked up that night...she was really messed up in the head...loved doing drugs...but she was cool peoples and I didn't even have to call her the next day..if anyone wants to know who the star is...PM me...she's not that famous..but shes pretty hot
     
  18. Dath_BigGAME

    Dath_BigGAME Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Not personallity per say...everybody projects and image. Like your user icon. Each person has personallity and physical traits that make them beautiful to a certain person. Maybe an ugly girl has feet that someone really finds sexy. That is a foot fettish, but it makes that person attractive to the one with the fettish. (that was a sick example, but a good illustration of how even in porn, every body's sex needs no matter how gross can be satisfied)

    A porn stars image is that of "I love sex alot, and I enjoy all the things that I am doing" that is what fufills the requirement of "image" or personalily that people who enjoy porn, and find it attractive. It's the attitude man...all about the attitude...

    Ariana Lang...did you know there are 2 species on earth that take pleasure in mating? Only two. Humans and Does anybody else know the other one? If no one gets it, I will tell you tommarrow. As for me, I am out. Good night my friends, and may the wind be at your back!
     
  19. LMU-Lion

    LMU-Lion Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Don't bother Ariana. One whose action are driven by that one function are usually not cognizant of what they say or do.
     
  20. Uruk-hai

    Uruk-hai Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Pornography is boring. Seen one, seen them all. There's nothing wrong with IMO, as long as it's legal, but you only ever need to see one and that's about all there is to it.


    Edit: BTW this was reply number 69 in this thread. Hehheh.

     
  21. DarthMak

    DarthMak Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm 18, so I'm at that magic age where this stuff can be accessed. The first day that I turned 18, me and one of my friends went to a porn shop. It's kind of a ritual at our school, turn 18 and then you hit the store.

    Porn IMO is fine as long as it doesn't get too extreme. Looking at a Playboy is fine, heck, I even encourage it if your old enough. But all the crazy stuff that's out there is probably too much. But I agree, porn probably helps couples who need a little excitement in their sex life. So it is not a bad thing. Just keep it in moderation.
     
  22. Khab

    Khab Jedi Youngling star 1

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    As I recall, there's evidence that both chimpanzees and dolphins enjoy sex.
     
  23. Dath_BigGAME

    Dath_BigGAME Jedi Youngling star 2

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    One more thing Ariana...

    I believe that I sent you a PM one time and told you how pretty you are. You do not look like a porn star. You do however look like the kind of girl that I would be attracted to. Now I have watched some porn, everybody has at some point, but I still see how beautiful you are, maybe just in a defferent way from porn stars.

    You both can be equally beautiful in different ways while being completely differnt in looks and personallity. I don't think that I have been influenced a bit except I like wild girls now too in addition to the kind of girls that I might typiclly go for.

    And I would much rather be in a relationship with someone like Ariana than any pornstar period. So don't get me wrong. Porn is nice, but it ain't real.

    Edit: Dolphins and humans, if chimps also, i stand corrected ( so maybe three out of 1000's)...that is why we obsess about it as a society more than the animals, they just don't enjoy it like we do.
     
  24. Ariana Lang

    Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling star 5

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    How did I get dragged into this? ;)


    Hey...I don't look like a porn star? :_| :_| You just shattered all my dreams!!!

    EDIT: I would just like to point out that although he used me for that example, that wasn't what I was arguing about, though it was what many others were discussing. I have a whole new view on pornography! (That everyone is ingoring :( )

    EDIT #2 (Criminy!): I'm not saying that no other species ENJOYS sex, I'm saying that they don't obsess over it like we do. It's clocked that the human male thinks of sex once every 7 seconds, and the human female once a minute.
     
  25. R2D2-PENA

    R2D2-PENA Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Actually Ariana, i read that men think about sex every 5.5 seconds, not 7.

    As far as my point of view, i think porn is sick, although we as men tend to view it more because as you know men are aroused more by watching than women who are aroused by touch (studies have shown this, as my experience in living). The only reason people watch porn is to get aroused, or to live a fantasy experience, since they cannot live it for real, i mean if i got to choose between watching and doing, i'm sure anyone would agree that doing is more enjoyable.

    Therefore why would i want to watch something that i cannot do? what would be the point? although i can tell you that in my mind i like porn (in the sense that i can enjoy it like the next guy, but it is still sick to me, the idea of it anyway), for the reasons i stated before. I am with TFU about what one goes through when they watch it, cause i have gone through those same experiences, but in my heart i don't like it and thankfully to God i have beaten that "addiction".
     
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