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  1. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    Yep How did you sway your really?
  2. Jedi_Master_Anakin Force Ghost

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    Agreed, SaberGiiett7. I think that they must take a more seductive approach.

    But Rebecca191, the people you know are not the entire population. And although I have probably never met your friends, and I am assuming that they share your stand on this topic. Even your friends you have as much sense as you boats, will eventually aid them, if they do not open their eyes.
  3. Son-Of-Suns Jedi Master

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    Someone's been playing too much Deus Ex 8-}
  4. Jedi_Master_Anakin Force Ghost

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    What is Duex Ex? Or whatever you said.
  5. Son-Of-Suns Jedi Master

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    Video game, features the Illuminati, it's based around a conspiracy.
  6. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    I don't know what it is.
  7. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm not talking about my friends so much as all the people who I've encountered in my life, and I really don't think anyone's going to be stupid enough to give up all our freedoms. Just read any debate on this topic.
  8. Ramius Jedi Knight

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    Why is a one world gov't always seen as evil?
  9. 1stAD Jedi Youngling

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    http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/seclorum.html

    Beneath the pyramid on the reverse side of the Great Seal is the Latin phrase "Novus ordo seclorum." Charles Thomson chose this motto, probably borrowing it from Virgil, the famed Roman poet who lived in the first century B.C.

    Virgil wrote the phrase, "Magnus ab integro seclorum nascitur ordo," in the fifth line of his classic Eclogue IV. It has been translated in different ways, including:

    A mighty order of ages is born anew.
    The great series of ages begins anew.
    The ages' mighty march begins anew.
    The majestic roll of circling centuries begins anew.

    The phrase is part of a prophecy about the fate of the Roman empire:

    "Now the last age by Cumae's Sibyl song has come and gone,
    and the majestic roll of circling centuries begins anew . . .
    the Iron age shall cease, the Golden race arise . . .
    and shall free the earth from never-ceasing fear."

    Thomson coined the motto "Novus ordo seclorum." The accepted translation is: "A new order of the ages." Thomson explains:

    "The date underneath [the pyramid] is that of the Declaration of Independence and the words under it signify the beginning of the new American Æra, which commences from that date."

    Conspiracy theorists mistakenly assert that "novus ordo seclorum" means "new world order."


    And:

    http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/translation.html

    Seclorum means "of the ages" or "of the generations." This is easily seen in the phrase sometimes found at the end of prayers in Latin bibles: "secula seculorum" ? forever and ever (literally, "ages of ages"). Seclorum (seculorum, saeculorum, saeclorum) is a genitive plural form that could not properly be translated as "of the worlds."

    Seclum was used to mean "world" in ecclesiastical (church) Latin ? in the sense of worldliness ? hence the meaning of the English word secular (from the Latin adjective secularis). Moreover, since "seclorum" is plural, even if it did mean "world" in the sense of "planet" (which it does not), "novus ordo seclorum" would have to be translated "new order of the worlds." For example:

    "Immaculatus ab hoc saeculo" means "unstained by this world."
    "Et servientem corpori absolve vinclis saeculi" means "and free him who serves the body from the chains of the world."

    Notice that the phrases, "this world" and "the world," could be replaced by the word "worldliness." This is decidedly not the case for the phrase "New World Order."

    In Classical Latin, "world" ? in the sense that it is used in the phrase "new world order" ? would be "orbis terrarum/terrae" (or sometimes terra alone), or "mundus," or maybe "tellus." In Latin-English dictionaries, "seclum," in all its forms, is conspicuously absent from the listing of Latin words for "world."


    Conspiracy theorists have a good imagination, except when it comes to choosing a symbol for their campaign. Trying to associate the reverse side of the U.S. Seal with their agenda is reminiscent of how an ancient universal symbol of well-being, the swastika, was commandeered in the mid-20th century and perverted into a negative image.

    Also, religious extremists suffering fundamental illness (manifest in their "towers of babble-on" that clog the Web) are trying to demonize the radiant eye, the symbol chosen by America's founders to personify Providence.

    The Founding Fathers experienced that God was in favor of the American cause, and they bore witness to this in their design for the Great Seal.

    It is sad when Americans denigrate the symbols their nation's founders created ? and their own ancestors probably supported ? symbols of the very liberty they now enjoy.

    The Great Seal was created by the people who gave us our freedom. It is not a symbol of those trying to take it away.
  10. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    Why is a one world gov't always seen as evil?

    Cause there's no way every single person in the world would accept the same government. Therefore, it would have to use force and possibly some "evil" methods to keep control.
  11. AJA Force Ghost

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    I don't buy into a lot of the conspiracy theories, but having read a Freemason handbook that belonged to my grandfather, there is some element of truth to the general concept. They do view themselves as the builders of social order, and they do have some highly questionable spiritual beliefs. I'm not sure their influence is as pervasive as some people think, or perhaps more accurately, not nearly as strong as it may have been at previous times.
  12. Red-Seven Manager Emeritus

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    You've tried to start this topic before.

    It was locked, and you were told to take the discussion to the JCC.

    Was there something you didn't understand?
  13. Cheveyo Force Ghost

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    I thought the Illuminati were a group of fictional baddies in the "Lara Croft: Tomb Raider" movie! DOn't play Deus Ex, so I wouldn't have heard about them from there... I guess I'm not up on modern conspiracy theories!!

    Although I have heard of the Trilateral Commission, and--sadly enough--Art Bell. Both are a crock.
  14. KaineDamo Jedi Youngling

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    God, how silly is all of this. Everyone knows its The Patriots that are in control. Duh!
  15. Cheveyo Force Ghost

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    I thought AOL/Time/Warner was in control?? Well... maybe not now, after what i heard on th news. ;)
  16. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    Nooo, Microsoft is! ;)

    *Waits for thread to be locked*
  17. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    Last time my topic was locked because I asked a yes or no question without inviting further ideas i'm new here so I made a mistake.Alright as for the pyramid and the all seeing eye go to the Illuminatis site at oneworldorder.org.Guess what?The first thing you see is that seal
  18. Cheveyo Force Ghost

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    Sure, but who used it first? ;) Actually, I thought it was an Egyptian symbol... checking...
  19. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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  20. Darth_Drunk Jedi Master

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    If we are heading towards this One World Order, why does Bush keep butting heads with the UN? Why has there been no mention of gun control by the government since the Clinton Syndicate?

    The rest of the world seems more intent on getting us into lockstep than the government.

    If there was an organization looking to take over the world, I'd bet on the United Nations.
  21. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    Many UN members are either supporters of these groups or part of them so were both right.
  22. Cheveyo Force Ghost

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    Checking this:

    From the State Department.
    "The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: The Eye over it and the motto allude to the many interpositions of providence in favour of the American cause. The date underneath is that of the Declaration of Independence and the words under it signify the beginning of the New American Æra, which commences from that date."


    From Howstuffworks.com
    The unfinished pyramid and the eye in a triangle on the reverse side are classic symbols. The Egyptian pyramid is a symbol of strength and duration; the 13 steps indicate the original number of U.S. states; and the 13 steps leading to an unfinished summit indicates future growth of the nation. The eye is known as the "Eye of Providence" and is surrounded by rays of light. According to Webster's New World College Dictionary, "providence" can mean:
    1. a looking to, or preparation for, the future; provision.
    2. skill or wisdom in management; prudence.
    3. a) the care or benevolent guidance of God or nature, b) an instance of this.
    4. God, as the guiding power of the universe.

    The single eye shows up in Egyptian mythology as the Eye of Horus, an ancient god of the Egyptians. The eye represented wisdom, health and prosperity. Some people think that the "all-seeing eye" is a symbol of Freemasonry, a fraternal organization, and they interpret this as proof that the Founding Fathers believed in Masonic principles and wanted to impose Masonic order on the United States.
    This essay addresses that rumor.


  23. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    Why is it the official seal of the Illuminati then?
  24. Jake_Barnes Jedi Master

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    "Many UN members are either supporters of these groups or part of them so were both right."

    I'd like to see some proof.
  25. Cheveyo Force Ghost

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    Why is it the official seal of the Illuminati then?

    Is the Illuminati a real organization? Just because it has a website does not mean it is real. As for why this ambiguous group uses that icon as it's "officil seal" as you say, I cannot say. Perhaps it is the same reason that the Nazis chose to use the swastika. That symbol existed long before the Nazis (the word "swastika" is derived from the Sanskrit swastika which means, "conducive to well-being", and the symbol itself has a history dating back to Mesopotamian coinage and even early Christian and Byzantium Art. It has also been found in North, South and Central American civilizations, often used in Mayan and Navajo art.)

    Because someone "adopts" a symbol does not mean that symbol adopts the values of that someone. Get it?
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