ST Putting the pieces together

It's not impossible, but weird when you see the result on screen...

However, there are other details that may work against it.

We have a scene of Finn, Rose and Poe (captain outfit) talking - and that must be the Raddus.
When does it have to happen? Before the hangar scene? After?
In the first case Poe should change his clothes 3 times. In the latter, not only he changes his clothes but they also
have enough time for a conversation during that very same evaquation.... Hum...

And above all.... We have Chewie on the Raddus (1st BTS)

The scene of Poe on that transport doesn't look to be above D'Qar.

I believe is more likely that after D'Qar the Resistance Fleet keeps on travelling in the deep space.
And that there's another space battle, in the deep space,
Only then the Resistance flys to Crait.

And the wobbly x-wing may not be that of Poe. Or it is. But it's not landing it's lifting off after the explotion, that damages but not destroys it.

 

Poe on the transport would not be above D'Qar - Poe flies his X-Wing in the evacuation of D'Qar, then gets hit and lands on the Raddus. The transport scene would be on the way to Crait after the Raddus has been attacked.

BIB - What I have been saying all along.

Remember we also have pics of Poe in his flight suit on the Bridge of the Raddus - can only be after the evacuation of D'Qar or later when Kylo destroys his X-Wing.

 

CrazyOldJedi I'm not sure we understand each other...

"Remember we also have pics of Poe in his flight suit on the Bridge of the Raddus - can only be after the evacuation of D'Qar or later when Kylo destroys his X-Wing."

This may happens at the beginning of the movie.
In fact, about the "D'Qar evaquation" I believe we're not going to see that base again... or people leaving it under attack à la ESB.

I think we will meet the Reistance in the space above the planet.
When they've just left it and moved into the Raddus (and other ships).
When they are setting themselves and all things (Finn's pod included)... here comes the FO.

(I know about the children book, but maybe that's what happens off screen)

If so, the Bridge scene comes (or may come) before the battle.

Running scene + hangar scene...
Once for sure: BB8 is there. Therefore it must before Canto Bait.

With that being said...
We've got a picture from another angle of the hangar scene and Poe's X-Wing is boosted.
But we also know from other sources (perhpas Empire article) that whatever they put on the engine, it's something that can be used only once.
And Poe uses it the battle above D'Qar...
So... who knows? No one can say for sure how it goes...

However, honestly, I don't think the position of that scene in events sequence changes a lot if we do agree on the general idea...


That, taking into account also this one (Chewie on the Raddus) is:




That after D'Qar the Resistance Fleet doesn't move immediatelly to Crait.
They keep on travelling in the deep space, battle n°2 and only then evacuation of the Raddus - with the transports - to Crait.

 

mlsw It seems we actually agree on quite a lot....

 

In the BTS shot where Dasy and John are dancing (Crait), Rey has a bruise on the forehead. When she is tortured by Snoke, there is no bruise. Which means that their meeting will probably happen in Act 2.

 

This seems about right to me. To me, this is what makes me sure that the confrontation with Snoke will not actually be the climax.

For Rey, it seems like her arc is

1. Scenes with Luke to Ahch-To
2. Kylo eventually arrives and conflict happens
3. Whether she captured or willingly goes, she ends up in the Supremacy. Around this same time, Finn and Rose should be there. Somehow she escapes and meets up with those two where they go back to Crait.
4. Battle of Crait

The details are obviously tough to make out. Stuff like Kylo's redemption or her identity I have no clue about but I feel very confident that Rey's arc goes in that order

 

ok i need some help here. we need to figure out some kind of time outline for this thing.

we know..

finn recuperates.

leia, finn, poe and the resistance evacuate d'qar somwhere towards the beginning/middle of the film? the bombers are being shot down over d'qar by the dreadnought and then poe uses his super engine.

luke is given the saber by rey. training/refusal to train, chewie with porgs, etc.

flashbacks at some point.

kylo has discussions with snoke aboard the supremacy.

finn and rose meet go to canto bight, find dj. chase ensues.

finn, rose, dj infiltrate one of the big enemy ships with bb-8. they get caught.

poe, leia, resistance arrive on crait.

finn and the falcon arrive on crait.

battle on crait. kylo invades base.

also...

snoke has rey on the supremacy.

space battle with kylo and leia's ship.

what kind of order can we find here?

 

leia, finn, poe and the resistance evacuate d'qar somwhere towards the beginning/middle of the film? the bombers are being shot down over d'qar by the dreadnought and then poe uses his super engine. The Dreadnought is there to pound the Base. Poe takes out the guns so that the Bombers can attack the Dreadnought from above.

finn recuperates. On board the Raddus.

kylo has discussions with snoke aboard the supremacy (After letting his mother escape D'Qar?)

finn and rose meet go to canto bight, find dj. chase ensues.

space battle with kylo and leia's ship. The Raddus is nearly or totally destroyed (although I suspect a Resistance ruse)

poe, leia, resistance arrive on crait.

snoke has rey on the supremacy.

finn, rose, dj infiltrate one of the big enemy ships with bb-8. they get caught.

finn and the falcon arrive on crait.

battle on crait. kylo invades base.

 

CrazyOldJedi "space battle with kylo and leia's ship. The Raddus is nearly or totally destroyed (although I suspect a Resistance ruse)"

Love the idea of the ruse...

But could it be that the scene Leia-Kylo on his Tie is what leads Leia to think about some ruse?

I mean, she feels her son and she knows he does too.
Therefeore that could be used against all the Fleet...

Also, this may be a perfect mirror (reverse) of ESB.

 

we need a spoiler outline soon.

 

Unfortunately we just don't have enough clues to complete the picture. Apart from what we might guess is in Rian's 'no fly zone' (Kylo on Ahch-to? Luke off of Ahch-to? etc., etc.) I have a feeling that the whole finale has been hidden from us.

 

well i've been working for days on a video (THIS IS NOT SELF PROMOTION). i may get it uploaded tonight but i had to make a ton of guesses., edits, etc and try to also pace it. fingers crossed that windows media player doesn't screw me.

actually more than days.

 

link to social thread.

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Some thoughts:

I'm going to say the shot with Rey saying: "I need someone to show me my place in all of this". Comes from early in the movie. The behind the scenes footage showed a scene being filmed on Ahch-to with a campfire beside the Falcon. I think Rey is either saying this to Luke or to Chewie at that campfire.

The shot from the t.v. spot of Luke in the Millennium Falcon comes the morning after Rey leaves or is abducted. I think Luke comes with Chewie when he goes to the Raddus.

I think the shot of Kylo offering a hand actually comes from later in the movie. This takes place on the Supremacy which has been damaged by Finn and his team, giving Rey a chance to escape Snoke. Either Kylo is offering Rey a chance to surrender, or maybe he's trying to actually help her escape.

 

Anyone tried to make sense of Finn and Rose’s part of the story?

I’m guessing the Resistance learns that Snoke is personally hunting for them with his massive SD, and they need to destroy it. They get in contact with Maz who tells them about a hacker that can get them “fake IDs” to infiltrate the SD. Finn has no intention of going on the mission, he’s waiting for a ship so he can leave to find Rey. Fangirl Rose comes up to him and asks where he’s going, and not wanting to disappoint her says that he’s going on the mission Leia was briefing everyone about. (Stole that part from someone else, sorry. Makes sense though).

The Raddus then gets attacked and Finn and Rose are forced into the same ship to escape. Not knowing where else to go as the fleet is scattered, Finn decides to continue the charade and go on the mission anyways.

But how do they get in touch with DJ? Do they meet Maz there who tells them that he’s in prison? Is she in the casino? There’s an action scene there too so I don’t know. We saw Finn and Rose in a cell, maybe they get themselves caught to get inside the prison. They leave the prison with DJ, there’s a speeder/horse chase and they escape CB on DJ’s ship. They explain to DJ that he needs to hack the bio-hexacrypt that’s “recharged every hour”. They somehow get aboard the SD and find costumes, plant explosives and whatnot, as the ship gets word that the Resistance is on Crait and leaves for it.

Rey arrives on the SD to face Snoke? She gets captured and about to be put into Snoke’s big machine, then Finn blows the explosives and Rey managed to get away as Snoke gets distracted. Finn fights Phasma, cuts off her arm, and escape down to Crait where the FO is launching a desperate walker attack after their main ship is disabled.

Finn and Rose both get speeders and destroy the walkers. We see Finn in full pilot getup later, too. That’s where I’m lost.

And what does Rey do on Crait? Fly the Falcon? And doesn’t Kylo fight the guards with Rey? Because we see him on Crait with the troopers. I’m getting off track but I’m guessing that Kylo comes face to face with Leia on Crait and decides to let her escape, maybe kills the snowtroopers as they try to get her.

Is there a final act we don’t know about?

 

The open hand. It's not defensive. It is an offering. Kylo is reaching out. To what or to whom? Whomever it is Kylo may be attempting reconciliation. Perhaps with his mother. It maybe disingenuous, as with his father in The Force Awakens. It may be Rey as she decides to fall down the pit after rejecting Kylo's proposition of joining him to "end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy".

 

I always figured this was outdoors, but could this take place in the burning hangar? He could be helping Rey escape. But then again Kylo is marching with his troops later.

 

I was thinking about the scene Kylo/Leia in the trailer...

If it goes as it seems, Leia "feels" his son and she knows he does too...
If so, she must admit that her presence may jeopardize the whole Resistance.

Do you think this may be use as actual plot point?

May this have to do with the ruse CrazyOldJedi?
I mean, could it be that's what lead Leia to think about it?

About the reaching out scene, I believe that may happen inside the Supremacy.
That's my idea, at the moment...

 

If it's inside the hangar. I think Rey refuses his hand, and decides to escape with Finn and Rose instead.

 

Dissecting it I think the Kylo/Leia moments in the trailer are two separate sequences. When Kylo sports the carbon-fibre bandage is probably during the battle over D'Qar - Kylo is approaching the Raddus more or less head on and must sense his mother and thus (obviously) does not pull the trigger. I'm sure that Snoke has something to say about that...

As for who he is reaching out to and where - it could well be his mother on the Raddus, but how would that play out? Does she just turn away and head for the life rafts and leave Kylo biting his lip?

 

Well, I think these two scenes are interesting, Chewie in the Raddus, he can go alone, with Rey or with Luke, but since there are images of Rey and Chewie in the MF I think that Chewie and Rey are at some point in the Raddus , then the image of Rey and Poe in the MF, maybe 1) Poe arrives at the evacuation of the Supremacy to rescue/help Rey, Finn and Rose 2) Rey and Chewie arrive at the Raddus, Poe tells her about the secret mission of Finn and Rose ( without the knowledge of Holdo and / or Leia) and they go to look for them or 3) it belongs to some of the final scenes where they evacuate Crait.

 

I actually think the clip from the trailer where Snoke is 'torturing' Rey, is part of the vision she has on Ahch-To. Perhaps it's precisely the part of it that makes her break concentration and fall to her knees in distress and shock? As we saw her do in the Teaser.

 

what I wouldn't give for some TFA type spoilers for this film. We are a month out and nothing. You'd think if Hillary hired Disney's security, we wouldn't have 'emails' and this loon as our President.

 

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I think the scene Poe + Rey on the MF takes place after the Battle of Crait, there's Resistance stuff on it too. Seems like they're all leaving the base all together).

But n°2 and n°3 do not 100% exclude one another.

However, I honestly believe Poe cannot be on the Supremacy at all, because I guess - not that I'm sure - while Rey and Chewie are on the Supremacy
the Raddus is evacueted and the Resistance flys to Crait.
Those two things may happen at the same time.
and if so, the scene in the trailer of Poe looking outside that weird vehicle puts him elsewhere.

But maybe there's another explaination for that.

That said, I guess the most important pics we have are that of Chewie on the Raddus
and this one:

A lot of the events sequence depends on where and when we're going to see those two.
Chewie is pivotal for the reasons above.

But Finn with this "bomber" - I suppose - outfit too.

Before or after Canto Bait? If after CB, before or after Crait. Meanwhile seems unlikely, given this one:



Here is still wearing the FO outifit....
I really don't know.

Also... look at thins. Rose + the MF.



Raddus or Crait? Because if Finn doesn't change clothes from the Supremacy to Crait, why does she do?

And I also think, this one may be on Crait too.


It may be the interior of this structure


Sure in the picture of Rose there's day light coming from the outside. It cannot be on a space ship.

That to say, the more we try, the less we can figure out.