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Senate "Race" Relations (was "U.S. Society and Black Men")

Discussion in 'Community' started by Jedi Merkurian , Aug 11, 2014.

  1. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Sweet Jeebus [face_plain]
     
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  2. Lordban

    Lordban Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    AFAIK, that one was amended by Ingalls Wilder herself later on to "no settlers" instead of "no people".

    That aside, we have here the case of an author who is very much the product of her times - born two years after slavery was finally abolished in the USA, died eight years before the Voting Rights act which put an end to straight discriminatory practices against black persons' rights to vote, and living through the latter half of a pioneer era in which Indians were systematically despoiled and ended up confined to reservations. "No people, only Indians" is literally what the environment she grew up in taught her to think.

    In that respect Ingalls Wilder's writing is very much reflective of the environment in which she lived. But its not said environment that sees their name stripped, just the writer who was borne of it, and I doubt the stripping of her name from said award is accompanied by a condemnation of the America which committed crime after crime against the Indians and refused black people the right to vote.
     
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  3. crazyewok

    crazyewok Jedi Padawan star 2

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    I read about that......made me throw up a bit in my mouth.....
     
  4. Lordban

    Lordban Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    WTF???

    No. Just no.
     
  5. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    No, it was amended after her death, by the publisher, because they received complaints.
     
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  6. Lordban

    Lordban Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Then thanks for the correction on that.
     
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  7. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 9

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    I'm not sure that's an entirely characterization of every country concert either. But I'm sure it's a percentage high enough to scare many black people away.
     
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  9. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Article says "Wilder apologised for her thoughtlessness and amended a line in Little House on the Prairie."

    Anyways, yeah, I see her as a product of her times, and a good look into the thinking of the times. I've read the books, and besides that changed line (which I didn't even know about until today), I don't remember any racism in it, although it has been like 15 years. I can understand changing the Award's name, but without slighting the author herself. She did make her own changes when writing to take away some race-based elements she knew were offensive even if historically accurate. Such as when some sympathetic town characters covered their faces in white paint to do a comedy routine in one scene in one of the books, it was a change from what actually happened, which was blackface.
    (I personally think it would have been better if she was more historically accurate about those kinds of things, and did reveal it was blackface and not white-face-painted clowns, just to understand the times better and what it was like for race relations back then. It shouldn't be racist or censored to simply document the racist practices and thinking of the past).
     
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  10. solojones

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    So I listened to Priscilla Renae's album and liked it a lot. Although like most modern country, it doesn't quite feel country enough to me. It's sorta a country meets R&B album. Which is cool because country and blues are very close cousins.

    I just will always prefer Johnny Cash to all music though :p
     
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  11. harpua

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    I laughed way too ****ing hard at this...

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    Man in Lancaster, Pennsylvania gets tazed for completely complying.
     
  14. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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  15. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, I think the guy was honestly confused about what they wanted him to do. He tries several different things to comply. He just didn't get that "straight out" meant straightening/extending his legs in front of him. You can tell he thought the cop meant horizontally, as he kept spreading his legs. The female officer said "put your legs straight out and cross them now", so he put his legs in front of him and then went into a butterfly stretch, which is an understandable interpretation of that direction.

    But I guess someone wanted to use a taser.
     
  16. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I'm adding this here from the hometown thread. My son starts high school this fall at Oak Park River Forest High School, the subject of a new 10-part documentary series, America to Me, airing on Starz beginning in August. The trailer alone is pretty outstanding, provides a fairly clear overview of the issues at stake in the series.

     
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  17. Obi Anne

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    This is interesting. I love the Wilder books, but I've only read them in translation. In the Swedish translation that I've read that is definitely a blackface scene, in fact that was the only reference I had when people started talking about "blackface", which is because that kind of act hasn't existed here.

    There are definitely racist elements in her stories, but I would say more from a child's view of especially the Native Americans being exciting and exotic, and when I grew up and noticed how the adults responded to her it's clear that the people around here were the kind of people that wold say "no people, only Indians". Now I need to go and check what that particular line says in my Swedish translation.
     
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  18. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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  19. Healer_Leona

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    I'm fascinated by the fact the Rep. Bynum was put in touch with the person that called the cops on her and the woman apologized.
     
  20. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Dear fellow white women: please stop calling the damn cops unless you see an actual crime being committed in which someone might get hurt or lose property. Selling water, using a charcoal grill in a park, or walking through a neighborhood without being recognized does not count, and you’re making the rest of us look like paranoid racist idiots. Kthnxby
     
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  21. harpua

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  22. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    I do like it when these people realize they've been caught being a giant racist and that that has consequences for them and their victims. She's freaking out and breaking down because she realizes what she has done.

    She says she didn't mean to racially profile because she realizes that's exactly what she's done. She doesn't finish the sentence, but right before that she says "I feel really"...the end of that phrase is "bad". And you can tell she's about to cry.

    Omg I swear I'm a good person! Please don't make me sound horrible! Please don't destroy my life for being a giant racist! :_|

    I actually don't like destroying people but I guess I feel some schadenfreude when someone is afraid it will happen. Maybe check yourself.

    LOL and google informs me that Permit Patty actually did call the police. Wow. Did she really think she could get away with that lie? Don't feel so bad about her.
     
  23. Ghost

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    Yeah I posted that in US politics yesterday.

    Just incredible in its stupidity.
     
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  24. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Yeah, the recording has been released. She called 911--that's supposed to be for emergencies, you ****ing moron... ugh.

     
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  25. ShaneP

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    As much as I hate this use of force when they could have done a better job explaining it to him by demonstrating it to his face, at least it was a taser. Based on what has happened over the last several years(decades? centuries) LEO using non-lethal force is a step up.