Senate "Race" Relations (was "U.S. Society and Black Men")

Nobody ever talks about the Spanish colonizing America. Unless you're in history class I guess.

 

Anyone have any thoughts regarding the whole Trevor Noah and "Africa wining the world cup" controversy? I find it really interesting. So basically what happened was Trevor Noah said that Africa won the world cup due to most members of the French team being of African descent. This joke caused quite a stir, where progressives said that such a comment only gives fuel to the alt right in Europe, who believe that people from African descent are not European. Those far right people are lauding this comment saying they are proven right. The French Ambassador to the US wrote Noah a letter reaffirming the Frenchness of the people on the team. Noah did a response to the whole thing



Idk what to think about this. I mean on the one hand Noah is right that culture is important to the Frenchmen of African descent. On the other hand this type of comment helps out the far right.

Is there a way to say make this point that Noah made in the joke in a better way and should he have?

(that said watching a bunch of "woke" white american liberals saying Noah is right 100% has gotten annoying)

 

I can't watch the video right now, but...

This did cross my mind, because of the number of players on the French team with African descent, and the fact France won, vs the African teams which had a dismall world cup on the whole. I put this down to the facilities and training available in france vs most of Africa.

These days, under FIFA rules players can play for any international team they have a clear connection to the country - this means a number of things, but the main example is playing for any country you, your parents or your grandparents are born in. All of that to say, most if not all of those French players chose to play for France, rather than whatever African country they were from. Whether that's because they felt more French, thought they had a better chance of winning things or whatever reason I don't know.

So I don't think it's fair to say Africa won the world cup.

I don't know if I'm woke or racist, but whatever.

 

On the german podcast AfricaLink (it's in English) they did mention that many African countries did see Franc win as a win for them or tried to claim the victory for themself

 

Noah is wrong because said French players of African descent say he's wrong and they proudly claim to be French.

All of our side are French nationals, all but two of them were born in France and the two who weren't moved there at the age of 2.

 

It sounds like part of Noah's "I'm going to mention I'm African at every opportunity" schtick that helped turn me off of his Daily Show. I'm surprised it got any attention in France. Is he popular there?

 

But he stopped doing that when he started his Daily Show...

 

When he started he definitely did it fairly often, and he had a general "amused, detached foreigner" demeanor I didn't like. I don't know if it's changed because I stopped watching after a few months.

 

You know, the format of the comedy show really works against his argument here. He's reading the letter with a funny French accent; thereby mocking all French, including the players. He also mocks average white guy with the old Eddie Murphy average white guy voice. It doesn't seem very effective if you want to promote understanding between nationalities.
I don't know how effective these shows are anyway. It seems that they're singularly preaching to their own crowd.

Of course the French government reacts this way. They would be stupid not to. It's all in a day's work. I don't think it means much to them.

To chide them for not being consistent with the labeling French/African is a strawman. That's not the government doing that.

 

So I'm sure many people have seen the story of the black man who, after shoving an aggressive white guy to the ground because he was harassing the first guy's girlfriend, was shot to death. And then the crazy white guy, who shot a guy who was moving away from him, was not charged because of Stand Your Ground and ****ing Florida.

I bring up their races because I absolutely think it's a factor. Does anyone not get charged for responding to a push from a white father by shooting him in the chest? Doubtful.

This is just utterly sickening to me. And you know what? Even the National Review says good gun owners should be outraged. Because you can't punish a shove with the death penalty.

 

Even worse a shove that you provoke. Talk about opening the door for all sorts of nutters.

 

I never read or heard of him until today. Does that answer the question? He just happens to be at the intersection of a large number of people across several countries who were plain wrong, and beautifully reminded by Mendy of how our players feel.

 

The thing with the France thing is... I definitely made comments during the WC that it's ironic that suddenly a fairly racist French populist supports immigrants and the sons of immigrants only when they're winning a WC for them.

But I think that's inherently different than what Noah is saying. I'm mocking French racists. He's actually feeding them by saying these guys are really African after all.

 

God..... you can't make a joke about anything these days without someone being "offended".....

It's a ****ing joke people, get over it.

Much bigger issues in life than to get all snowflaky and uptight over what a comedian says.

 

I don't really care that much about his joke and am not up in arms about it. I am responding to the right wing people who praised it, and that it's kinda dumb to feed the trolls.

 

No matter what you joke about some idiots going to get offended or take it to heart as supporting there cause.

Either we stop all jokes or like me say F it and don't care, let people get offended or read into to things, if you don't like it watch another comedian

Political correctness and humour do not go together and never will.

 

FTFY. And you're doing a fine job.

 

I mean, I already don't watch this comedian so good for me?

 

Exactly. It was a thoughtless accident. I don't think anyone here is particularly up in arms.

 

Memphis Police Spying on Activists is Worse Than We Thought

This stands out...

There wasn't much else for them to encroach upon by the time they were called out, short of planting cams in random peoples' homes because they just felt like it.

 

Holy ****. Seriously is this just 1968 again??