Rankings for 2010-11 NFL Head Coaches

Grimby, dude, you provided wrong stats in the first place, and ones that when used to compare Fisher and Shanahan are not only negligible, but that aren't "even a great stat" as I and others have said-- it's not just a numbers game, in fact coming back from 0-6 shows why he's such a great coach.

You said "not that it matters" other than to prove Shanahan should be above Fisher. I assumed you were bringing it up just to say "Shanahan has better numbers than Fisher," having gotten the point that it's not just numbers, and knowing full well that relying on them solely would directly contradict what you were trying to say earlier-- that such stats show that Fisher shouldn't be "anywhere close to #3 on the list." In which case, why bring that up? Because when it comes to that, there's only 3 teams with more playoff appearances in the last 11 seasons than the Titans (Indy, NE, Philly), and only 2 active coaches ahead of him wins-wise, making him...number 3.

 

Meh.

I don't think there are many "great" coaches right now in the NFL. You can find a lot of warts on just about every coach. More than ever, I think winning teams happen more because of great GMs/personnel folks, rather than the coaches. And, I think getting the right mix of assistant coaches does more to determine success than the right head coach. The head coach anymore is a CEO.

To me Belicheck is #1. There's a dozen or so guys who compete for #2.

 

Reid is a great Monday-Saturday coach, he's just a horrendous gameday coach.

I'd still take him over Phillips.

 

I agree with this. When I first saw this article on Yahoo I thought, well that would make a great thread and I could dispute it. But then when I thought about it I was like, but who would I put where? After #1 its a lot of gray.

 

Not just the incorrect one (which also just wasn't a good point, failing to recognize the coaching prowess to still have them in playoff contention despite that start, as others have noted), but ones that when actually compared to Shanahan (playoff-to-seasons-coached record, number of subpar seasons) are negligible when adjusted for your "personal" omissions, and which do nothing other than-- as you said yourself-- "prove that the #4 guy on the list has had more success than the #3 guy on the list."

In which case, again, why bring that up? You weren't trying to say that (you didn't even agree with Shanahan being that high), you were bringing up numbers trying to say Fisher shouldn't be near number 3. When the fact is, if you look at just the numbers-- in which case not "personally" counting something holds no weight-- then you may have an argument for Shanahan to move above Fisher, but it also solidifies Fisher at around 3 or 4...a far cry from your claim that "with those numbers [he] shouldn't be anywhere close to #3."

It's not like there's an objective formula or something though, so I guess put Fisher wherever you want. You should factor in his humor though, the Manning jersey thing was pretty funny.

Yeah this is evident with Parcells and the Dolphins (of course Sparano's done great for him too). It also gives Cleveland hope with Holmgren. If you ignore that it's Cleveland.

 

maybe it's got something to do with the fact that shanny's sucked other than when he had elway?

 

all i know is that the last few years he was there they turned into a clone of the early manning colts, without as much talent. all offense with a paper mache defense. that is not good coaching.


and i seem to remember him once saying that his goal was to be able to beat the colts, and was what he was trying to design a team that could do. that really didn't work out very well either. (might be wrong, but i know i heard something of the sort somewhere, just might not have been related to him.)

 

This.
I don't think there are that many great coaches. I think Payton is the best right now and not just b/c of the SB win. Just how he's built the Saints. Took a chance on Brees, who went from getting the boot in SD to being in the top 1-2 of QBs. And the Saints rarely seem unprepared for a game, and can't think of any real clock management issues.

Reid has clock management issues.
Not sure why Rex Ryan is so high. They backed into 9-7 cause the Colts and Cincy gave them wins, made the most of it in the playoffs of course but we'll see this year.
Not sure why Caldwell is so high at 12??? I'm pretty sure I could coach Manning to 12-4 from my couch. The only decision he made was to give up a perfect season and then not win the SB. I think a top 5 coach plays for 19-0. Just my opinion there.
Childress. Yikes! Shouldn't be in the top 25.

I like MccCarthy he could probably be top 10, same with Sparano given the state of Mia when he took over.
Why are Schwartz and Spagnuolo so low??? They were given horrible teams!!! I really like what Schwartz is doing so far, Det will not be a pushover, but still have D issues outside of Suh.

As for Fisher and Shanahan, I can see both in the top 10, not sure where they'd fit exactly.

 

that's what i thought. it's also pretty directly what led to his being fired wasn't it? since the team also couldn't beat a lot of others as a result of that. i think it's just kinda stupid to focus on one team specifically. you build the best team that fits your strategy that you can, and take that as far as you can. aiming for one team is just not going to get it done. to me that is the mark of a bad coach, if you focus on one team that isn't even in your division.

 

Ryan is probably high because he took a team that was "lucky" to be in the playoffs and took them to the AFC Championship, a game they led at halftime, which doesn't matter because they lost.(broke my heart)

 

i think the colts actually played better than they did under dungy, which is saying something. caldwell took what dungy did, tweaked it and won a few games because of that difference. and they aren't really ever unprepared, on either side of the ball. he's a good coach.

 

yea, that is true. i suppose the real question will be whether the team regresses this year at all or not. not that i'm really expecting another 14-0 start, that'd be ridiculous. but i figure 11-12 wins is probably in the cards if like i think he actually is a pretty good coach.

 

Well it is when you're trying to saying starting off 0-6 is grounds for someone not being ranked as high (especially considering the importance you placed on .500 and playoffs in following statements). If you did recognize the coaching skill involved (and there was certainly skill involved regardless of the AFC race, this was a team that was counted out before its bye week and ended up in the fight), you probably should've factored that in when wondering why he'd be ranked so high despite that start.

If you want to mention this Super Bowl thing against Fisher now, cool whatever. I never took issue with your own rank of Fisher-- especially since it's all kind of subjective anyway-- I was simply pointing out that the numbers you provided weren't great (even wrong and "personally" edited in some cases), and when you admitted that they only served to show Shanahan has better numbers Fisher, I asked why bring that up when they also solidify Fisher near the top, and clearly reveal the flaws in your original claim that "with those numbers [he] shouldn't be anywhere close to #3."

Anyway, I like Whisenhunt in the top 10, but he's gonna have quite a test this year-- especially against Singletary, who I think may make a case for himself to be higher.

lol, it's true

Yeah I'd agree, he really made them believe they could do anything and it showed in the playoffs. I loved how he took the Pats head on too, though this season there's even more of that hype to back up.

 

Perhaps you weren't being entirely serious with additional mention of the Manning jersey, but still. That aside, I wouldn't have to commit equine abuse if the explanation for my question had gotten through earlier, but glad to see it's been clarified and not an issue with the criteria now revealed. Regardless, judging by the rest of the discussion in the thread I don't think our conversation necessarily "dragged down" anything.

Speaking of initial impressions, when I first saw the list I wanted to say that Marvin Lewis should be rated higher, but on second thought I don't think he's all that terrible where he's at. Plus he did get Coach of the Year honors to recognize his ability to keep the Bengals together through that tough last season. This year will go a long way in determining if he can maintain the success of that last season...though I suppose that could pretty much apply to every coach.

 

I agree, with the passing of Henry during the season, even though he was on IR, he was still friends with people on the team. To keep them from losing the will to play is a great feat.

 

Hey now. There's always hope in Cleveland. Just...not much more than that.

 

Yeah, when one of the frst things you say as a coach is "I'm not here to kiss the rings of Belichick," then you have to get points on that one.