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Discussion Rate The Last Jedi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by chris hayes, Dec 14, 2017.

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Rate the Last Jedi in the choices below

Poll closed Jan 13, 2018.
  1. 5/5 Absolutely loved it

    30.6%
  2. 4/5 Solid a good addition to the saga

    18.8%
  3. 3/5 It was ok , worthy but flawed

    11.8%
  4. 2/5 Some eye candy but felt underwelmed

    16.2%
  5. 1/5 Meh Dissapointed

    10.0%
  6. 0/5 The worst Star Wars movie ever , down with the Jar Jar doo doo

    13.2%
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  1. chris hayes

    chris hayes Jedi Master star 4

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    Rate and discuss why you voted that way......
     
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  2. solo77

    solo77 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    3/5
    Overall just a bit muddled, lots of enjoyable bits but some odd decisions
     
  3. chris hayes

    chris hayes Jedi Master star 4

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    Well I absolutely loved it - as some of you may know .

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    Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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  4. thehighground

    thehighground Jedi Knight star 1

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    the difference between Abrams´ and Johnson´s style was bothering me quite a bit, especially the humor. It was very different at at times overdone.
    It was a good movie overall, but some things however felt out of the blue and rushed- though in themelves fitting. Especially the Kylo and Rey thing. One minute they hate each other, then they talk in their minds and they are what, lovers ?
    And I feel like Snoke was wasted, if he is that easy to kill why set him up as the big baddie in the first place. This probably was not what Abrams had in mind.
    But I guess I am being picky and will probably grow more attached to the movie after I see it a second, and third time.
     
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  5. soul8luos

    soul8luos Jedi Master star 4

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    2/5 The force awakens may not be original but it's written way better.
     
  6. thehighground

    thehighground Jedi Knight star 1

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    Voted 3/5 btw
     
  7. Charlie07

    Charlie07 Jedi Master star 4

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    4/5 simply because i felt like the resistance plot hampered the fantastic story telling of kylo/rey/luke and the force.

    Give me a 2:30 movie of just that please :D
     
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  8. nightangel

    nightangel Force Ghost star 6

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    definately the worst Star Wars movie ever. It is even worse than Batman vs Superman.
     
  9. starwarsfan54

    starwarsfan54 Jedi Knight star 1

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    1/5

    No real progression on the Rey or Kylo characters, they ended this movie where they began.

    The overdose on comedy was too much, I couldn't take the movie seriously because it often felt like a parody of Star Wars.

    Luke was out of character and he may as well have been a new Jedi Master we never heard of before, would have fit with the randomness of Snoke.
     
  10. UberJediPaul

    UberJediPaul Jedi Master star 1

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    0/5 for KK & RJ efforts. They literally phoned it in but I do not expect anything else neither should be anywhere this franchise as they do not understand simple story logic.

    11/10 for Mark Hamill he owned it totally everything & everyone else was garbage by far the worse SW movie. It makes the PT look very good (although I enjoyed the PT almost as much as the OT).

    The entire movie was very poor. Mark Hamill seemed like he was in a different movie on his own everyone else showed how poor their skills were as an actor. The difference was vast. Mark literally is & was The Last Jedi. SW is finished to me I thought after TFA it could not sink any lower...boy was I wrong!
    This new SW is not for fans of the superior Lucas crafted entries that's for sure. KK ensured her crappy new movies went out of their way to try to undermine & destroy everything the Lucas movies tried to achieve. That is the ONLY thing they have achieved here.
     
  11. themoth

    themoth Jedi Master star 4

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    Either 3/5 or 4/5.
     
  12. Bazookaleffe

    Bazookaleffe Jedi Knight star 2

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    1/5.
    - Boring story.
    - Snoke's fate. What were they thinking? "When I looked in to Ben's mind I realized Snoke had already seduced him to the dark side." Who is Snoke? Is he a supreme leader of the First Order while also being Luke's friend? If not, how did Luke know who Snoke was before Ben turned?
    - Luke Skywalker (Bizarro)
    - Superman Leia
    - Rey Random. The forceback scene from TFA doesn't make sense at all.

    What a mess.
     
  13. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    None of the descriptions alongside a star rating describe the film for me. For me it’s a wildly ambitious film that deserves credit for what it tries to do, and for succeeding a lot of the time. Star rating for me would have to wait.
     
  14. solo77

    solo77 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Extra - wow what happened to Daisy in this film? Her acting was terrible, like reading lines. Also what happened to her face, twice as fat as TFA...
     
  15. Darth Smurf

    Darth Smurf Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    uhmmm...no.


    I mean talking about superman, we had Anakin flying in drunken-superman style through the air at Coruscant.
    So beside the fact that the Leia scene was simply dumb it was nothing new compared to stupid things we already witnessed in the past.
     
  16. Maylander

    Maylander Jedi Padawan star 1

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    3/5

    It's a very good action/comedy, but it's not really good as a sequel to the OT. There are certain issues that I just can't overlook now:
    - Not a fan of how Luke had to go the obvious martyr route.
    - We still need more information about Snoke. He's clearly old enough to have been around during the OT, and seems oddly fascinated by Vader. Given that he's now dead, we're unlikely to get the answers we seek.
    - Rey is now bothering me a lot, and that's an issue since she's the main character. I was hoping they'd explain the meteoric rise in power we see in TFA (lineage, training as a child that she'd forgotten, etc), but it's still just a blank. For now it seems that any and all training with the Force is useless. Complete waste of time. If the Force wants you to be good at the Force, it'll just magically pop that knowledge into your head.
     
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  17. GregMcP

    GregMcP Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    3/5
    Loved much of it.
    Just... Luke. Shouldn'ta done that to Luke.
    I enjoyed the silly bits. The script often dodged the cliche, and while that might have annoyed people, I appreciated it.
     
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  18. MS1

    MS1 Jedi Master star 4

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    Low. really low.
     
  19. Bazookaleffe

    Bazookaleffe Jedi Knight star 2

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    Not sure if you've ever seen a skydiver before? But Anakin flying, more or less like a skydiver, around in Coruscant is not comparable with Superman Leia.
     
  20. Darth Smurf

    Darth Smurf Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    But sameway stupid. Thats what I meant
     
  21. dogprivilege

    dogprivilege Jedi Knight star 2

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    Not sure if you've ever seen a skydiver before? But Anakin flying, more or less like a skydiver, around in Coruscant is not comparable with Superman Leia.[/quote]

    I mean, we really don't know what the extent of Force powers really is. Kylo can read minds and stop lazer bolts in midair. The Skywalkers essentially are superheroes within this universe, just by a different name. Leia pulling herself to the ship really isn't super out there when u think about it, though I can see how the grandeur of the moment combined with the fact that we've never seen Leia use the Force may have made people not like it. Point I'm trying to make is that the story logic really is there for it even if it doesn't necessarily feel like it in the moment.
     
  22. chris hayes

    chris hayes Jedi Master star 4

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    Funny this poll is slowly going the way I think :)
     
  23. hermiona52

    hermiona52 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I voted 5/5, but it's more like 9.5/10.
    The thing I cared about the most was Kylo/Luke/Rey dynamics and Rian nailed it. All of them are challenged, overcome those obstacles and ends up stronger, learn new things about others and themselves. I could point out all the things I liked, but other did it here and in other places. I take of 0,5 point, because Leia's Force scene looked fake and Finn and Rose journey to Canto Bight and Snoke's ship could've been better. Still, things that are good, are so good, that I can ignore the downsides.
     
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  24. SienneRe

    SienneRe Jedi Knight star 2

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    same as above - 5/5 but should be 9.5/10 - because of that one annoying porg in the Falcon. I cared most for the Resistance plot, not so much for Kylo and Rey but it has changed during the film.

    I especially loved Luke, how true it rang with me.
    Great, great movie.
     
  25. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Master star 4

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    Way too early to rate it yet.
     
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  26. Alien Vanguard

    Alien Vanguard Jedi Knight star 2

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    Haha! I actually chuckled loudly at that.

    Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion but I thought the acting was good from many of the cast, not only Hamill. Adam especially did really good. Also, the good stuff in this movie is really good IMO. That fact alone has lifted this far above the PT (for me).

    I'm genuinely amazed that quite a few here already have their minds made up on TLJ. I'm still torn and conflicted. This movie hit me hard, and i need a good amount of time and additional viewings to finally make up my mind. I'm not alone on this. It's like several of my all time favorite music albums. The first time i heard them i didn't like them at all. Fast forward a few years and I now appreciate them immensely. It can go both ways of course. Time will tell.

    It's an absolute game changer of a movie for this franchise, that's for sure. If i decide that i don't like it, I'll always have the good old, worn out, original (and unaltered) trilogy to keep my happy childhood memories in place.

    Edit: poster above summed it up for me.
     
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